Step into the dark and mysterious world behind the scenes of A Nightmare On Elm St 4 and the Freddy’s Nightmares TV series with guest, Kevin Redzinski, famously dubbed "Freddy #2" by the legendary Robert Englund himself. In this show, Kevin shares never-before-seen pictures and untold stories that unravel the secrets of his time as Englund's photo double and glove double.
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Step into the dark and mysterious world behind the scenes of A Nightmare On Elm St 4 and the Freddy’s Nightmares TV series with guest, Kevin Redzinski, famously dubbed "Freddy #2" by the legendary Robert Englund himself. In this show, Kevin shares never-before-seen pictures and untold stories that unravel the secrets of his time as Englund's photo double and glove double.
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Speaker 2:Ah, Then he said that to me because I was like I'm just excited that Super Scrooge is here. You know, I wanted some air for a gift, but was he cause he's a huge lover of human scrooge? Yo yo, yo yo, get up scary. Yo yo, yo, yo, yo yo, get up scary.
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Speaker 2:What's up everybody. What's up everybody and welcome to Yup. That's Scary, your number one Halloween, horror and haunted house podcast. I'm your host, willie May. A nightmare on Elm Street and Freddy Krueger was the horror movie and villain that kept me up at night. Yeah, on today's show I am facing my fears as we go and hear behind the scenes stories and nightmares from the man who was dubbed Freddy. Number two, we have Kevin Rezinski in the studio today, yes, and it's going to be a good show, so let me bring in my boy, my co-host, jarrod. What's up, man, what's up man Jarrod, how are you?
Speaker 3:How are you? You know, not too bad, not too bad at all today.
Speaker 2:Bro, that cut looks so fresh. It looks so fly right now. Look, I got to have my hat on because my hair is kind of nappy right now, but you look good. You look good sir.
Speaker 3:Oh, I think I appreciate that.
Speaker 2:Good, good. How was your week? How was everything? I heard you got snowed in.
Speaker 3:It was a weird snowstorm. It was like it was just heavy and slushy. It was like within 20 minutes it was like two inches of snow on the ground and it went in the snow for a couple hours.
Speaker 3:It took me like 20, 30 minutes almost to get the truck on ice so I could drive. Because I'm like, because you can't just get the windshield and start driving because it's clunks of ice, so you had to clear all the clunks of ice, because I'm not being responsible for driving on a road and somebody tailgates me and I saw clunks off.
Speaker 2:Yes, I hear that, bro. Yeah, totally.
Speaker 3:So, besides the snow, it was a pretty good weekend. I was going to be motivated today and go do a workout before the podcast, but I was too warm and cozy this morning I was just like no, I'll go this afternoon after, because I know we have a couple things after the podcast to do. Yes, and I have to pack. I'm going to pack everything done.
Speaker 2:Workout Bro let me just say this it's a busy, busy, busy week for us and, yes, we got to stay on it today. You know we had lots, that's going on Like bro. We have a ton that's going on and I'm excited to be able to see you soon. To be able to see you soon.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm going to. I got to get all my stuff done this week because I ain't got time all this week to get anything else done this week, because as soon as I get off of here, I got to get ready for this week, yeah, and then I got my two 16s. You know, get to work, you're going to put in that work.
Speaker 2:Bro, I hear you we got Molly Z zombie in the house. What's up, molly zombie? I hope you like her new look. Our new look is our. Our show is going to be progressing. So that means, willie, we're going to get season three right and you know it's so funny. I was like going over some things on my. Oh my gosh, we didn't put in the whole new look for season three yet, so I started a little bit of it. So it's good to see you, molly Z, and thank you everyone for tuning in.
Speaker 2:This is Yep. That's scary. If this is your first time, I'm Willie May. This is Joe Ryan, right here, wherever he's at, and we're going to.
Speaker 2:We have a good show for you today and let me just say this it's not only busy for us here at Yep that's scary, but it is busy for the people, just for the horror conventions period period, why we have conventions going on this weekend one on the East Coast, one on the Midwest and one on the West Coast.
Speaker 2:We got mega con happening right now. That's where a Bali zombie is at. I don't know how Bali zombie is like there and is watching our show at the same time, but that dude, jose, you know how to multitask. And then we have in Midwest, we have the Odyssey and Curiosity Expo happening in Louisville, kentucky, and then we have creepy IE con happening in California and let me tell you, the internet is going crazy. The internet is going crazy right now with everyone popping up and just loving on each other because it's a new year and new horror cons are happening everywhere. So, yeah, I'm excited for that and if you guys are in, please let us know where you're from, where you're coming in, where you're watching, so we can continue to engage with you during the show.
Speaker 3:Yes, buddy, there's too many, there's too many conventions, I mean.
Speaker 2:What do you mean?
Speaker 3:too many conventions. I think there's too many conventions. There's so many to go to. I mean, what we got this year, what's the fall we got? Oh, we're booked.
Speaker 2:We I mean first of all we, which we'll talk about, but like each like not, not, not in general.
Speaker 3:I'll talk about more general because you can remember, when I was, I was showing you what I was finding because I had to find a couple to go to this year and I'm like, and I was just trying to find a good group of first off, a lot of them in October for, like the non, like haunted house ones, just a horror convention. I'm like, yeah, I'm busy in September through October I got time to go to these conventions, and then I was, because, you know, I got hops to go to, and then I was looking around, like, not to mention, it's hunting season, my October, y'all lucky if you get a glimpse of me, a glimpse.
Speaker 2:I need a whole glimpse sometimes of you, so just let you know Look look, they got prom corn season L bear.
Speaker 3:All the seasons are on October. I'm like, oh my God, I want to get no sleep.
Speaker 2:Right Doug, so to say he sounds like Larry, but but I'm yes.
Speaker 3:I'm in there B for Halloween 5ks and let alone the area I've been looking because I look like I don't know.
Speaker 2:First of all, I don't get why you want to run. You, only you. I've never seen you run before because that's why that we should.
Speaker 3:I'm a runner, why should I keep myself?
Speaker 2:Okay, look, you can expand. You can expand and running, yes, you can. But let me just tell you, I'm a track star boy. I used to run track in high school and everything in middle school and I got ribbons and trophies to prove. But you, sir, now you want to do 5k. No, you only doing a 5k, because that that woman you with I mean true, like everyone's, like she's a runner. You're not. But yes, I'm good to see Doug Sheldon in the house. I'm going to see Doug Sheldon real soon. We're both going to see Doug Sheldon real soon, right?
Speaker 2:For for Hong Kong, which we're going to see Doug for a few minutes.
Speaker 3:I could picture it's going to be like last time I saw Doug. I'm like hey, doug. He's like hey, you're good. I'm going this way. Talk to you later.
Speaker 2:And then he's going to know this year.
Speaker 2:This year you will be working with Doug More, more often, but I want to talk about this really quick. This store, halloween club, has been a huge focus of my life and it and the stores closing and I'm a little bit sad. I'm sad for two reasons Because I'm not in California to get the goodies that they were literally selling. If you had $100 worth of stuff, you pay 15. If you had $200 worth of stuff, you had $20. If you had 300, you're playing $30. The reason why they were doing that? Because they're cleaning out, their closing. They had multiple locations at one point, but they're closing down.
Speaker 2:And let me tell you before, transworld was a thing before I even attended Transworld. I remember I was doing my haunted house and someone told me really I was driving from LA and I was coming in town, there's this Halloween store called Halloween Club. I'm like Halloween Club, I never heard of it and they're like, yeah, it's 24, seven, it's like it never closes. And I'm like what? And so I went in and I started to. Well, I packed everyone that helped me with my haunted house. You know, when I did my home hot, we all packed in the house and we all went up there and I bought this mask. That was at my second. Well, this is that's.
Speaker 3:That's what's he called. I know his name.
Speaker 2:Well, that was Wally the character, that, but. But that mask was a Zagoni mask and back in the day we used to purchase a lot of Zagoni masks, and so what was so crazy about it was the this store was my trans world. I would go to the store and purchase a whole bunch of stuff. And the second reason why I'm sad that they're closing because I'm not there and I I didn't get any goodies and I didn't want to, and I haven't said my goodbyes and farewells to the store manager, the owner and all of them over there at Halloween Club. But my thoughts and prayers are with you guys on your new adventures and a scream team for productions. We love you and it was great to have them in our in a circle and just to be able to go to a store, whatever you want, and get Halloween stuff, and let me tell you I know they have plenty of it.
Speaker 3:So that is the Goni's going to be a hot condo this year.
Speaker 2:No, but they will yes no they won't be there There'll be a fear expo? No, I don't think so. We should ask, I should ask.
Speaker 3:I'm going to make it because anyway I need to place an order in with them. I have a new costume I want to build. And is that goat when I sent you? Remember it?
Speaker 2:Yes, Okay, you are these animals.
Speaker 3:I like animals. Look I could. Everybody expects you to do some of your good. I could do a redneck as a day is long, right, I mean, that's just I just stepped out the front door and I'm dressed up, but I want to do a goat witch. Could you imagine a big goat witch? Maybe do a witch, yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, whatever, but okay.
Speaker 3:No, no, no, no, no All right, this is.
Speaker 2:This is hard news. I just got to move on. All right, this is a good one. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay Okay. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, alright.
Speaker 2:Better late than never. The next sequel of the 20, the 2002 horror classic 28 days later, was picked up by this week, this week by Sony. According to Hollywood reporter, the upcoming 28 years later will be see will see original director Danny Bol as and screenwriter Alex Garland teamed up again for this film. In addition to part two feature that will be written by Garland is being planned. All right, last of us. The new year has seen several new cast members join the HBO hit horror series the Last of Us for its second season, and now one more actor is in the fold for the upcoming ride. According to Deadline, Catherine O'Hara from Beetlejuice has been cast in an undisclosed row and will join the previously announced Isabella Mercent, caitlin Devere and young May Zeno, along with stars Pedro Pascal and Bella Ramsey. Beetlejuice it's so nice, let's name it twice. The much anticipated Warner Brothers sequel to the 1988 horror comedy hit Beetlejuice is heading to theaters this fall and I am so excited. Okay, and now it has an official title according to the report on Deadline. Check out the poster and the announces. And that announces Beetlejuice, beetlejuice 2024. I can't wait. I can't wait for that.
Speaker 2:Next, my man, carl man, who gained fame as Paulo Creed in the first four Rocky films, but it's best known to genre fans for his role in 1987. Predator has passed away at the age of 76, according to report in a variety. Wethers, born and New Orleans came to his career from an impressive sports background, even enjoying a cup of coffee with the Oakland Raiders in 1970. Following his brief two-year stint with the Raiders, he went to act for his acting career more seriously, landing small roles in films and several TV series including Kung Fu and Starsky and Hutch. And then, I'm sorry, then Apollo Creed came in 1976, oscar award-winning Rocky and three of its sequels.
Speaker 2:Why did I not write this right? I do apologize for everyone that's watching. Before starting with Arnold Schwarzenegger and horror sci-fi classic Predator in the role of oh my goodness, in the role of Al Dillon. I'm so sorry, I don't know why I messed up the script. Here we go. Survived by his wife, his ex-wife, mary Ann, and their two sons. The staff here at Yupp that's Scary extends their condolences to his family. Next we have on our show we have Kevin Rezinski, who is our guest in the show and he's in our studio, and that is Willie May with horror news in a minute. What does these?
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Speaker 3:I always meet myself during the hot news because I don't want to sit here and be like, oh, what about this? And just talking to myself in the back.
Speaker 2:Please don't talk to yourself.
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Speaker 2:I don't have a little shirt on. Do you have a shirt on One of their shirts? No, I don't Not today.
Speaker 3:I'm going to grab some while I'm up there in Hong Kong. Just grab like a stack. Yeah, I'm ready to. I'm not packing any shirts when I'm at Hong Kong. I expect to come home with new shirts. I'm sure Doug is going to get you some shirts. I know like I always get to always leave with some fear expo shirts. Yeah, yes, you do. Perfect, I'm excited I'm gonna have a new shirt and add to this collection of dirty laundry that I'm procrastinating on washing, which I have to wash today.
Speaker 2:Dude, are you excited to hit Daytona?
Speaker 3:I'm excited to get to the airport and start flying, because that's when the excitement can actually hit, because you know, I don't get too excited till we we don't have kids shirts.
Speaker 2:We don't have kids. That he's. He's a smidium, doug, he's a smidium. Are we going to see just some hard nipples walking around until the beach? All right, let's pay some bills. Here we go.
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Speaker 2:All right, thank you for that, gerard. Yo man, with our, with our partnering events is coming up, I'm really excited to be a part of a part of them and we have one coming up this weekend. That's that's that I'm excited for. You want to talk about it? Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 3:Guess what, guess what Yepies Yep, that's scary has teamed up with with some events we had that we had partnered with. Come see us in person at hot con in Daytona Beach, florida, next weekend. Hot con is not just an event, it's a gathering of the boldest minds and horror, rather your haunted attraction, professional and indie horror filmmaker or an immersive event enthusiast. Hot con event seminars and showroom floor is just what you need. Take 30. And experience included all of the events. For me Check it out that's attraction Rage on the April 12th through the 14th in Owensboro Kentucky. That's going to be happening April 12th through the 14th in Owensboro Kentucky, going a little bit south right there. For me, then, we're going to be at Georgia Pop Con and horror no, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:I Think you are. Oh, we love technology here, okay. Okay, so I'm gonna pick it up. We're gonna be at Georgia Papa Horakha I'll get second through the fourth in Columbus. What's going on, bro? What are you doing? Okay, just chill out. Chill, I got it. Oh, I love, I love, I love technical difficulties. Georgia Papa Horakha is happening back at the trade and conference center in Columbus, georgia, see horror and pop celebrities. August, second through the fourth. Then we have buried alive. November 7th through the 10th in Atlanta, georgia. We're gonna be up in there watching horror films, indie horror films, and Judging. So we're so excited to be there. We're gonna be broadcasting live from there and these are the events that we're gonna be at. And and a buried alive Okay, you are, I think he's back. Are you? You back, bro? There you go. I think it's your internet. I'm trying to tell you. No, I think I test.
Speaker 3:I test by internet, says it's good and I got a strong connection to my booster. You're just fuzzy to me, bro.
Speaker 2:You're fuzzy. Everyone's getting their hashtags in. Yes, get your hashtags in. We are excited. I'll get your hashtags in the wind shirt.
Speaker 2:We have an amazing guest for you today and we're about to bring him on soon and we do apologize for starting out late. I want to recognize that because I know people were wanting to watch the show and we had technical difficulties and we were, I think, on Facebook. We mentioned it and so we do apologize for starting late, but we're gonna catch up here and that's why we're moving really fast. We're just going through it. All right, you ready to write what's next, what else we got? We're passing tickets. Skip it for today and we will hop right into this guy now.
Speaker 2:I'm excited to have this guy in in In our show for today because we kind of share similarities. Number one he's from Jersey. I'm from North New Jersey. Yeah, hold it. Yeah, we're holding it down. You know I kind of my accident and my attitude changed when I started living in California for a minute, but then we also Been in film. Now I've been featured, I've been standing in, but he has actually seen his career kind of move and navigate it in some amazing, amazing TV shows and movies and I am so blessed to have him here because he Huh, what are you trying to say?
Speaker 3:Oh, gotcha, thank you, just tell me in this, in the script they got, it, got, it got it.
Speaker 2:So his, his movies, and the movie that he he's played in was one of the movies that freaking frightened me and it was nightmare on Elm Street and it got to me and the others were like a blur. But I know that in from Three and four a lot of special effects was more in it. By time we got to Freddie versus JC, I wasn't afraid of Freddie anymore. But let me just say this to hear, when I was on the phone with Kevin what we called and I was like, hey, kevin, you know we talked a little bit and just to hear his stories and they hear of what happened to him, you know he gave me a little taste and I was like, yeah, like for sure, we need to get you on the show and so I'm like so excited to have him. I'm gonna queue up one of his, his, his, his, his video that we have Of of him in Freddie, freddie's nightmares, and we're just gonna play just a little bit of it so I can give you guys a little background of what he did there.
Speaker 4:Check it out this court was obtained during an illegal arrest, not in compliance with the Supreme Court's ruling on the rights of the accused. With great regret I must grant defense his motion to dismiss. Then he should have been read his rights at the time of his arrest. I'm sorry, as the law is the law, the procedure had been followed. This couldn't have happened. What's a churned?
Speaker 2:That's Kevin. Look at him. Look at him, dude. Even how he stepped up the box, that looked like.
Speaker 3:Why does he go to court in that sweater? What's funny is the video is not playing for me on my screen, so I have to be on my phone right now. Okay, so that's how I'm able to double check. I keep the. I keep the stream off Wi-Fi on my phone sometimes. Make sure, check it and I'm like Is who shows up the court?
Speaker 2:and I'm seeing Kevin right now. Who's shows up in? Look, look, who shows up in a sweater like that? That's Freddy. I mean, what are you talking about? Come on now.
Speaker 3:What Now? Here's what I'm wondering what I said. We could break Kevin in for that idea that that question, cuz I heard this discussion the other day for about Freddy Krueger.
Speaker 2:This is okay. What are you trying?
Speaker 3:to say Well, we, you ever heard that a really original story of Freddy Krueger was he was a child molester and yes, he became. But then I they cut it out because apparently it was too gruesome for TV or something. Not TV before the film, and no, they just decided they sidestepped it.
Speaker 2:He's still is. Yeah, it's still his, his history, that's still him. They didn't take it out, the sidestepped it, so they used everything else and it like stay focused on that topic. But here is the man of the out. Kevin, you made it, yo, yo, let me. Let me just say this. Let me say this it was a minute to get you in the studio, but I was like you. I was like we good, we got this. If we start late, we start late.
Speaker 7:You know People come in they come in but the thing is full disclosure. I was messing with you when you were doing that a bit, so I'm guessing you could see my screen.
Speaker 2:So yeah, I can see your screen.
Speaker 7:Yeah. So I just stumbling a little bit and I try to keep your role. I'm like it's no bit for the guys for crying out loud, leave alone.
Speaker 2:No, the issue is sometimes with weather or with just how many things, just technology, they just go awry, and that's that's what happens when you do live, live, live show. But yeah, sometimes we get glimpse and we'll look down in the studio, we'll see something, or so we'll pop up or a common pop up trying to, and it throws us off the guy.
Speaker 2:Look like I do his job but it's okay because that's what we do. We learn, we get better and better and better. But I'm so excited to have you on the show, I'm so glad that Billy Connected us and and we reached out and and just hearing you. So let me just say this for the people that don't know terminology in the film you got, you go, you got the ones, or the leads, which we call what? Bring in the ones they are firsts, then you got right seconds, which are the doubles or the stand-ins.
Speaker 2:Right, then you have. You know yours, your your features, you got your stunts. You got your background actors, extra Extras, you got so many people in roles that everyone is in and in film you could find yourself being a Background actor. And then the next 15, 30 minutes you're like Like, right, you know you get a feature. You have you know, you know they're using you for for something.
Speaker 2:And so my experience was I got called in for a feature for Malcolm in the middle and I did that, that episode, and then all of a sudden they were like they kept Stare it at me, they kept looking at me, they kept having conversations and I'm like you know, and then they're like, and then they come up to me like, hey, by the way, you know, we see that you black and and we want to slap yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, and we want to put these clothes on you and we wanted to shoot you from behind and just Could you be, you know, stevie standing and that was the black kid. That was, you know, on the show in a wheelchair, really like this. And so I had to do that and he was in school. So the actors, the young actors, were on set, but they were in school and I had to pay them and let me say, I got my voucher, I got my paybook, I got, you know, I had to go through all that stuff, oh yeah, and so I wanted.
Speaker 2:So I'm very eager to hear your story, everything you went through and you're in your acting career and playing Freddie and being number two. Now I literally told myself I said I wonder why he's number two? And I thought I was like, you know, he's probably number two because he's like, was them the guy who stood in the most? But then I thought he's number two because he's number two, like they were like, and he came in and so so please tell everyone that's watching who are you.
Speaker 7:Yeah, it's, it's. It's very similar my experience to yours. The first movie that I worked on was Heather's. Heather's literally set up camp across the street from my apartment in a school that had been closed out. So buddy of mine and I used to go over there and ride our skateboards around a schoolyard and we go over. One day it's all locked up. Then the next day there's a bunch of trucks. Today, after that there's a full blown movie production. So we go over, we're asking around, we're talking to these girls. They give us the number for casting agent. The next day I start working on Heather's.
Speaker 7:Now, the very first day that I'm there is when they shot what was used in the opening credits. So it's just kids bustling down the hall and somebody is supposed to be kind of in the end product is sharing a screen with Winona rider for a few seconds and then cuts to the left. The thing is, when you cut to the left you had two steps and the camera was right there. So these kids, like they had other guys trying to do it and they just couldn't pull it off, like they kept looking at the camera. So they'd be like hot, try it again. Don't look at the camera. You know that. Okay, then they push him aside. Next they try another guy. That guy can't get it done. Then, just like you said that, you I do it, I get it done. So then they make a note. You know this person could walk and talk at the same time or not. Tall, they don't want you talking, I go. But they know you're coordinated enough you can take some direction.
Speaker 7:So they definitely make a man, they make a mental note right away. So then for when they needed someone that you'd really see in frame, they were pulling me all the time. So in that movie I'm in a couple of scenes where I mean you've really see me and you know people would ask me how do I get even other extras as I was starting to do the stand-in stuff on Freddy's. You know they're like what, you know what? Any advice or any hint. I tell people you find yourself on a movie set, for whatever reason, your best bet is to keep your mouth shut, do what people tell you to do. Short of something, you put yourself at risk. You know what I mean and just keep cool. You know this is not going to be your big break. You're going to end up going to work the next Monday anyway. You know what I mean. It's like, guy, I would see people do it all the time. They would show up, we'd all show up for the day, so we're all in one room, so all the extras.
Speaker 7:It's going to be a high school scene on whatever heathers, fretees, nightmare four, and You'll see guys who have a notebook and they're writing stuff and they've got. You know this is their opportunity to stand next to reny harland. They're going to hand him a script and reny harland doesn't want to fucking script. He's in the middle of shooting nightmare four. You know what I mean. He's got a script, so, but these guys think this is my one chance to be within 10 feet of whoever? Right, just gonna, you know, maximize it, and they end up making people crazy and the next day they're not there, because that's not what you're there for. You know that's right. Yeah, yes, what is?
Speaker 2:this seat here. What is this?
Speaker 7:This is the second time and you know it's funny, because the other scene I do the exact same fucking thing. I walk behind her and then I cut off frame like that. I always try to give myself some kind of goofy little business to do so here. I think I'm doing something with a backpack or something, but um, this was the second time that we did this now, that's you right there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right there in the red in the red with the blue backpack.
Speaker 7:Yeah, yeah. So at that point I had gotten on the football team or whatever, I guess, because that was the team you know. Shirt, the logo and the whole thing. Okay but the the other one is it's the exact same shot, you know it was like the same was the same choreography, the same sequence.
Speaker 7:I did the same thing, but they put me this time to have you in the red, you know, with the sweater did. What they were running into trouble with on that film was, um, they were paying the background actors and background talent and cash at the end of each day. You had your voucher, you walked up, they paid, you see you tomorrow. Well, they didn't see everybody tomorrow because some people didn't come back, so they were having continuity issues. Yep.
Speaker 7:So they started to say, the last shot of the day they would go. If you're in this shot and you cannot be here tomorrow morning, I need you to get up and leave. You know we need to replace you. So my buddy and I who were working on it with because they said, you know they, they're gonna pick up the shot up the next day. They need the people to be there and because they were paying people cash sometimes, they didn't come back for a second or a third day. But we we figured out if we make sure we're in the last shot, we're guaranteed to work the next day. We would we go somewhere and sleep half the day and have somebody that would come and get us and then we would just make sure we were in that last shot of the day and then that guaranteed us that they would tell us to come back the next morning.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 7:So that was really my first time on a set so Just instinctually I would kind of lay low and just be quiet, kind of feel it out, let everybody else kind of show their cards and who does what. And there's so much going on you know what I mean that you could be walking from the parking lot and talking to somebody and then you get on the set you realize he's the executive producer. You know what I mean. So you always gotta watch your Ps and Qs who, what you're talking about and stuff until you figure out who everybody is.
Speaker 2:Well, kevin, back up for me for a second. You are from Jersey. How did you get to On you? How did you get on on tv, or Phil?
Speaker 7:I drove cross-country from new jersey. I was 21 years old, um, I got as far as Calexico, which is down your border of mexico and california, and I had a dirt bike with me. So I was riding dune, riding all day long, having the time of my life. It happened to be christmas day, um, and I get back, I load up, I start the van up and it caught fire. Uh, and I lost absolutely everything I own. So I'm watching this, yeah, so I'm watching it all go up in smoke and I'm thinking what the what am I? So everybody from the little town kind of came out to watch this was the big, exciting thing. Now I was right along a big canal, like a man-made canal, that went through the desert and for a second, when it was burned, I tried to push from the back. I'm like I'll push it in the canal.
Speaker 7:Well, a guy told me later, when I said that he goes. It's good thing you didn't, he said, because that's the town, that's a water supply for the entire town. Stop playing where it's where, to god, he said they would have shut it down, they would have had to decontaminate the whole thing. The town would have been without, and this was december and it was breaking 100 degrees down there. I mean it was nuts. And a guy said he goes. Another guy did it once. He thought he was uh funny, he's swam in it. They had to shut it down. They arrested him. I said what happened to him? He goes. We still don't know. So this is a shady little town in the middle of the water.
Speaker 7:You cut off the water to the whole town.
Speaker 2:Right, they fight it. Right, that's their water, it's crazy.
Speaker 7:It was not so. Um, this girl's there to see the fire and she's got a little baby with her and she he's smoking like that. And uh, she told me I could stay with her. She told the fire chief, you know, because he was gonna put me up at the uh the firehouse and then call uh first, uh, who I could see red cross in the morning. So I ended up hanging out with her for like a week and she's just a total method.
Speaker 7:The whole town was meth, the whole thing was meth. I mean, it was crazy at the time. They call it crank. It wasn't quite as involved, as you know, since breaking bad, everybody Frank, um, and we end up I. I knew, because where I grew up was a little, you know there was some stuff going on here and there. So I didn't think that could kind of recognize some telltale signs. Like you know, if the screen door in the front of your house is still in the middle of the front lawn from the last time you got Rated, it's probably a house you should avoid going into. Um, and I did, until one day she told me that she needed me to go in with her because she had to pretend she was borrowing money from me because she owed this guy money.
Speaker 7:So we sit down, sit on the sofa. She sits on basically a nine millimeter Beretta. She pulls it out. She's talking and waving this thing around. That I'm all. So this drug dealer guy comes out of the room, grabs the gun from her Laps of me is like what's wrong, jersey? You never saw a gun. And I'm like, well, not an inch from my face, is what I'm thinking. So he puts it under his cell. If he sits down, we start the bullshit. There's a big knock on the door and he yells who is it? There's no answer. Another big knock who is it? No answer. This fucking guy. I watch him. It's like it's slow. He reaches under the sofa. He grabs this nine mil now he could over his head Cox this thing and he's standing against the wall with the door next door and I, I know, you buddy I was like this is how I died.
Speaker 7:It was just it was the strangest thing. And you know I'm writing this book now, but all this stuff and it's kind of like reliving it in a way, and I really was like this is what happens. Like there's not going to be a red carpet, I'm not going to get on a movie, I'm not going to make the Hollywood like it's going to be police, because the town was already a chatter about how he was going to get raided again. He, they're going to open the door, they're going to shoot, he's going to shoot. And I'm like this is it? And it's an odd space. I mean, I've had my life flashed before my eyes a few times and the thing about it is it's like part of your brain it's already jumped ship. It's like role film. He's going you know what?
Speaker 7:I mean they're like you know, pick, start the picture. So With that it turns out to be somebody he knows. He hears the voice through the door. He opens the door, grabs this guy, pulls him in the house, throws the gun on the sofa, goes in the room. And I get up and I just start walking toward the door Because I'm like I'm out, that's it, I'm done. I start walking toward the door and then the door bursts open and it's this guy's roommate and he's coming in backwards with the laundry. And I spoke to myself if he would walk five minutes sooner and he would have got the gun shot him, no doubt about it. So I I spend A week there. It was about 10 days and at one point robin her name was Finds out that I'm waiting on about six grand in travelers checks. So this was in the 80s, so six grand was on like 20 grand or something. All right.
Speaker 2:You guys are muddy.
Speaker 7:That and she saw it. You know what I mean. And down there they had nobody, nothing, right. So she starts looking at me now, like her ship has come in. She's telling me how nice a trailer a guy could get for a thousand dollars and I'm thinking like this is important my game play.
Speaker 2:Oh, you like hey. She was like hey, daddy Come on.
Speaker 7:This is it? But now, here's the thing, right, here's the thing. I gotta let her think I'm cutting her in, or else she's gonna come up with a way to cut my ass out and I'm on her territory. Yeah and the only friend of hers I met so far. I almost got shot.
Speaker 7:Yeah, there's a deal, it's all like, because what happens is we go into the bank and the bank manager pulled us both in the office because she assumed that we were a couple, because at that time I took she had two kids. I took to carrying one of them around because she lost them regularly On the hour she would lose one of these kids, so I started carrying the one kid. So when we go to bank, the teller oh yeah, come on back, she was the one she goes. Well, good news, I'm gonna be able to refund you on Friday. She goes. Been a couple days away. She goes. I have been approved to forward you 300 or 5% tomorrow. So robin go to get you through until the Friday. So robin goes, how much is that? And the woman goes 300, and she goes. But how much is the percentage? She goes, no, that is the percentage. So now she's getting stuck like on the numbers. So I'm like this is it now? It's time to get up, get out.
Speaker 7:So, I get up, I'm leaving, I'm walking the fucking kid, I'm walking to the door. I opened the door for I turn and look she's talking to a teller and all of a sudden, her hope, because she ran up by the teller. She's like, well, what's two plus two? So she's like the 5% to 300. Oh, she comes over. That's it, you know. Now she's happy as can be.
Speaker 2:So I just kept skipping out.
Speaker 7:This is it. So I'm like I got to work this. Now you know what I mean. Yeah so once I did get the travelers checks, she dropped me the Teller. I told her the wrong room number and she saw I'll be back tonight and then I just ran out real quick. I got some rations, I got some beers. I just huddled up for two days and just sat there. And then bought a car and drove to to Hollywood to Hollywood.
Speaker 2:So now you're, now you're in Hollywood. How was that Wait? How was that it? What year was that?
Speaker 7:That was Well 87 87.
Speaker 2:Okay, so Hollywood, right? So no, no, you guys have to remember if you're watching, there's no phone, no internet, there is no GPS system. You had a Thomas guide. You had lines and you had. You had to follow it or you're lost. You had Trust me, trust and believe I. We've been there by family, went across country before and we had a Thomas guide to lead you. So now you're in Hollywood and Hollywood in the 80s is different.
Speaker 7:Please tell us what happened next first off through is none of this, because my brother lived out there until he'd recently passed, but he was out there for 30 years after I left and came back Um the second time. So he said it was just like there was none. There were no armies of paparazzi, you know, going everywhere, and the big piece of it was there weren't phones recording everything.
Speaker 2:No, there's no, I mean right. No selfies, no cadastrians, none of that.
Speaker 7:So people were like getting loose. You weren't concerned with you know what I mean. I remember the first thing I was at was, um, when I got in I stopped at Pasadena because my older brother had a friend there.
Speaker 7:And it was the night before the Rose Parade, yeah. So the the guy said to me you got to be out in the morning, that's it. I said no problem. So I'm like I drove all the way out here, Anything else that happened. You know what I mean? The van caught fire. I didn't get shot. You know, I got my seven grand. Sure, I got out of there. I'm like it's the Rose Parade when else? You know I'm supposed to be here. So I camped out the night before and it used to be just a rager, I mean raging, with people setting up for the next day.
Speaker 7:So clock strikes midnight for new years now the street is full of people just walking, and girls were walking down and they'd see somebody. They'd walk up and they'd start macking on you just happy new year. And you're kissing, you're kissing, kiss, yeah. And I'm standing like whoa. So I turned this guy who lived there. He goes oh, yeah, girls do that. Right, we're standing. Another one walks up, right, oh, happiness. I turn my foot, I go. What do we stand in here for? I'm like, if we're hitting one every five minutes standing here, I go. We, you know, run into a chick every minute. Yeah, we walk. So then we started walking. If we're running into a walking and I'm like this is the craziest shit I've ever seen. So get through that, get to hollywood.
Speaker 7:Um, I used to step over hypothermics in the elevator and shit, but all I knew was vice did. The middle of street was on gower. I looked up and I saw the hollywood sign squared up there, so I was like that's it. I arrived, you're right, they were filming. Um, what was it? Fundies? How come I'm not thinking of it? What apple gate? How am I not thinking of the series? It was the biggest series ever without Mary Mary.
Speaker 7:They were filming on gower. Okay, one day I'm walking by because it was sunset gower studios I saw a door open, uh-huh. So at this point you know whatever else that happened to me I was kind of that point flocking. So I walk in the door and I started walking past set pieces and stuff and people like hey, what's up, hey, what's up. And I'm like hi, hi, hi. And I saw this. I'm getting in deeper and deeper.
Speaker 2:That's what it was like.
Speaker 7:But I was like at some point Somebody's gonna be like what the fuck you doing you? Know what I mean. And I turned around and I headed out, so from so wait.
Speaker 2:So you just ran into the set and just walk through. I was like hey, hey, hey, which which you could do? I mean still you could do that, still with some Locations. You just walk on and hey, people don't know that, but go ahead, continue.
Speaker 7:Yeah, but but it gets back to that if you're quiet, you're mind your own business, you're not bothering people you know right now, if I would have walked in there and I had a script on my hand I start talking people up, you know what I mean it would have taught me like a second.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, they're like. Oh yeah, you know blog here, you know yeah, we don't need them.
Speaker 7:So From there, I end up moving to the valley, and that was the location that was literally across the street from the high school, where they, okay, don't tell us so then that's how I ended with Heather there we go. Did that for about two weeks.
Speaker 7:Okay and I had a brief thing. It was something a baby M story, which was one of very first early in vitro things where somebody you know halfway through decided to change your agenda and it turned into a big nationwide case. But oh wow, dabney Coleman was on that. So I met him. Talk to him. That play that was a little more subdued. The way it was laid out was just weird, you know, because there were a couple areas they had extras and then they had to write. It wasn't very efficient. So From that then I got a call one night Like nine o'clock at night to ask me if I was available to go up and that I did a walk-on on the blob, which is Myself in a letterman's jacket, with a couple other guys, and we walk into the diner and it's just before the debt scene in the diner which happens in the kitchen. So that I did. I think two nights now was one night on that but we shot two scenes and then they called me for nightmare and at first I'm going to be there.
Speaker 7:It is, and at first it was just gonna be an extra. But, like you said, you know, after maybe a half a day I same thing. I've noticed people asking me a question or two. You know what I mean. People fill me out a little bit and Then I go home that night and they called and they said tomorrow they're gonna look at you. First they wanted to make sure I can meet the commitment.
Speaker 7:You know, for the whole film and they told me it's gonna come down to. We don't know what's going to be the deciding factor, you know what I mean. She says, but they're looking for something in particular. So they needed a combination of somebody who could be used to stand in for as many of the male roles as possible, and they were trying to see if they could also have someone, um, double for Robert. Now apparently they'd done it on two and didn't work out, and then they called Robert back in. So, um, with that it was. I don't want to say it was an interview process, it was more Went in, tried some wardrobe stuff, no sweaters though, um, and then they had us just kind of walk around hanging out you know it might have been like three of us in there.
Speaker 7:And then the one woman had said to me you know, I noticed you were standing a certain, so my at ease Sort of stance is basically the same as roberts and there's just a little tilt on the right. For whatever reason. He exaggerated a little bit for the character Um, but it was the weirdest thing because they told me that at the time I wore chuck tailors like religiously that's what I wore, um, and typically two different colors, just to be a goofball. And then you know you're out of a bore or something. I had two different color shoes. I go, you know what, I'm glad to just have two shoes to wear. And uh, and that was mr T's approach. I don't know if you remember, mrt. Yeah.
Speaker 7:But you know why he did it? He said because he knew there were kids going to school with two different color socks. And he said now those kids could say I'm being like mrT, what. Yeah. Yeah, honest to god, man, Okay, I'm. So he empowered all those kids.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, he saw, he had that platform right away right, right away.
Speaker 7:With some of these people he was an influencer.
Speaker 7:Meanwhile I was just doing it to get attention. So far, far, far more shallow than mr T. So, um, in my chuck tailors and with robert in the boots they gave him, which were a little bit of a stacked heel, we were the same shoulder height and we were the same what they called hat height, like like dead on, just dead on. So, however, luck came to be, that's what it was. Um, we also had a similar build, uh, and Once they saw me kind of walk and they took the measurements, they locked that in, then it was on. They were like as long as you can make the commitment, everything else.
Speaker 7:So, on four, um, my first we did some studio study. It's funny it was just talking to mikstraw on the production designer. On four, about this, because I needed kind of a timeline as to when we went to the junkyard and we shot first a lot of the student, some studio stuff, um, or soundstage stuff. And I was hearing about the junkyard Because you'd always kind of hear About whatever was coming next. Because it everything moves so quickly there are always 10 steps ahead of themselves, or at least trying to be. So if the next big move was going to be to the junkyard. You'd be hearing a lot of chatter about the junkyard from people who've been out there. People are going to be working with it coordinating and I'm hearing about the.
Speaker 7:You know they're stacking these cars. You know like 10 cars high and the wind is a problem and they're cabling stuff down and I'm like it just sounded nuts. And then when I got there the first night at the junkyard was when I was like this is holy, this a big fucking deal Like this isn't just some guys you know doing little tricky camera stuff and in studio and you know a lot of practicals to make things look like this or that. It's like suddenly I'm on this set where you've got cars stacked up over your head and you know they're just constantly making noise Because they're still settling, you know. So you're hearing glass popping, you're hearing things breaking, doors swing open, um, and then I went there and they said you know we're gonna be shooting all night. So I was kind of like okay, you know we're gonna shoot all night. What does that mean to me? I don't know. We'll be there until we get we need and go home that night sometimes. No, we were there until we were there until sun up all night is.
Speaker 2:yeah, all night is. All night, till the sun comes up, and you guys still make sure everything is in. Yes, yeah, yeah, oh, my goodness, kevin.
Speaker 7:Oh, I was, I was Freased, and that's when I gravitated to the tube prop guys, um, because they kind of saw that I was a little lost Because the set was so Massive and there were so many different places to be and nobody really clearly defined my role. Yet you know this and this was what I'd be doing and this is freddy.
Speaker 2:This is a nightmare on elm street, freddy. Four, and at that time this was, uh, you know, I think, freddy, uh, uh, nightmare on elm street. Three had a lot of special effects that haven't been done before. Then you had, you know, and at that time, with, with claymation, with everything of practical effects, you know, an mtv. The pop culture was heavily influenced on three, and then it spilt over to four. You had a younger cast, you know, everyone's trying to outdo each other. You have these big sets and then there you are, sitting there with these, these big, you know, these cars stacked on each other, lost, you know, still excited for the possibilities the whole time.
Speaker 7:I mean Pretty much from the point I was on heathers straight through. There's a good part of me that just was first off just happy to be there, and the other was just overwhelmed. I mean it was just overwhelming. It was less than a year since I had the incident in the desert that now I'm here. And and I've got crazy. I mean, the women working on these films were just, they're beautiful.
Speaker 2:I mean, you know what I mean and look, I can't wait to say, I can't wait to say there was more boobs and more, more nakedness With freddy. I mean freddy kruger, and nightmare on elm street was pushing the boundaries Right with, with, with everything right. So there was, there was like it was horror and it's on his whole another level and at that time freddy kruger was very audible. He wasn't a jake of michael byer's quiet. He wasn't jason as quiet. He was cussing people out. He had one-liners of the yin yang and it was great.
Speaker 3:I mean great. It's also freddy kruger, like he's in people's dreams. I don't know about y'all, but some of my dreams, you know they might arrest me, you know.
Speaker 7:I actually Jared. If you look it up, it's called lucid dreaming.
Speaker 3:And what?
Speaker 7:it is. It's a state that you're dreaming, but you realize that you're dreaming. So, yeah, usually it's sparked out. It's usually it's sparked out of fear. So people go there isn't a pack of wolves, you know, chase me down an alley. It's a dream and they wake themselves up. But if you can remain asleep and are tricks to do it, you then, then you're command central, then you're doing whatever you want, right. So yeah, and every doctor steven leberg that started that.
Speaker 3:I've done lucid dream, but every time I lucid dream I'm like wait, I'm awake, I'm awake and I wake up.
Speaker 2:I'll send you something afterward, because I developed something that you'd have please say to me too, if you don't, just send it to me too, I'll be interested already had lucid dream, them for sure, I got to send it.
Speaker 2:Well, the thing is, the reason why I connect with a nightmare on L street is because my dreams and my nightmares were so Um it would. It happened all the time, like every time I went to bed. You know, sometimes I didn't want to go to bed at times because I had the dreams of falling. I had the dreams of swimming in water, you know, and, yes, I went to bed sometimes because I was in water. Right right.
Speaker 2:Don't, don't start with me. People Don't do right, don't even even think about saying a joke, because I was in the water Swimming and so when I'm swimming water I usually go into the bathroom. But, but, but, you know, but that was. I had dreams all the time. So so don't laugh, I'll easy.
Speaker 7:Let me what like I gotta put my phone because I just saw the good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, go ahead, plug that phone a little bit. You know what?
Speaker 3:Talk about that. Look, talk about lucid dream, and it pissed the better. To be honest, we've all had that dream. You wake up in the morning, do? I had the other night. I had another night.
Speaker 2:I say oh, Today, not on my sheets. I got some new sheets I had to roll out of bed for that one.
Speaker 3:You know what I struggle with and it happens like two or three times a week and it's shitty. This is why I think my sleep schedule is so bad. What do I have a sleep? I have sleep paralysis, like two to three times a week.
Speaker 7:Okay, I know, that is.
Speaker 3:Oh, that is like the worst. You sit in there. I don't see the demon because, typical, my eyes are closed, but I start hearing auto audio stuff. Right, it was real bad. The other day I was. I was at this apartment. It's not even my place. I said someone else's house, I'm sleeping. Thank god I didn't whack her in my sleep, no, I was.
Speaker 2:I was about to say it wasn't no sleep paralysis, it was that succubus that you had. Is that bad? You need to chill out. I'm sitting your mother over there. I'm letting her know about what you've been doing.
Speaker 3:I gotta pray for him sometimes, but go ahead, froze stuff in my sleep, like I've thrown a whole uh coffee table my sleep, not like a big one by the little one. Sit beside you, throw your phone on a book or something. I've thrown that in my sleep. But I was the other day. I'll sit in there, sleep and I go oh fuck, I can't move, damn it. And the next day I know I hear the door open and it shuts. I'm like, but it didn't like shut, sound something slowly closed like oh my god, someone's in the apartment. No, wake up, get them. If I go into find here and walk close or start feeling them re raise over the bed, I'm like, oh, I'm about it, I'm gonna hit this man as soon as this arm wakes up. I'm just swinging, I'm just gonna get up again. Finally waking up.
Speaker 3:No the woman rolls off of me. I'm like, oh, okay.
Speaker 2:Oh no, kevin Gerard works at a Santa salad and so um and so, yeah, I just think, yeah, I just think he sleeps there too and things happen and he just don't know.
Speaker 7:We actually shot in. Um, there was an abandon, not abandon, but he shut down asylum in Brentwood, um Freddie's nightmares, and they shot some of four there. But I know that we did shoot um Freddie's nightmares, some stuff there, and it was something odd. I remember about the security guard at night because almost like we didn't know whether or not he actually was the security guard or if he was just some homeless guy that like showed up, start telling us he was a security guard. There was really no way to decipher the two because he was dressed in a way that well, I guess maybe there was a couple weird things.
Speaker 7:Another one, you know, I just talked to Mick the other day and on nightmare four they go into a theater and the first little bit of behind the scene on that is the woman who's taking the ticket At the theater is actually one of the wardrobe girls, dana. She's got very straight black hair with the bags. Thane was awesome. So she's there. And then we use this theater which, um, mickie reminded me was actually Closed down. It weren't work. It wasn't a working theater, um, but people would go there and use it for shooting. It was in Pasadena.
Speaker 7:Nice and you know, typically the crew would get there today before there'd be some Part of the crew setting, doing some kind of pre prep, if they could, and then I would come. Things were already kind of underway most of the time. I wouldn't be at a set the first day, you know there'd be people getting things ready by the time I. I would go when the camera went. So whenever ready for the camera that I would go right. So, um, I went and one of the prop guys pulls me aside because you got to see this room downstairs. I go, what you know, I don't know. So I go down and it's this elaborate, spooky, alter looking thing. What.
Speaker 7:I swear and I swear to god. And I asked Mick. I said Mick, to this day I always thought that the prop people like did it just to fuck with me? And they were like, oh, we'll get coming down, you know and see so, and but he told me he goes. There's no way, because we were so busy. He goes, we were so busy throughout the entire production, nobody had time for that much, you know or shit. He goes, but on that particular shoot in that thing goes. Nobody had time to be going down there and setting up like a living space, just to fuck with you. So there was somebody lived there and then we were wondering, like where are they now that we're in here filming, like are they watching us?
Speaker 2:You know, do, because we never saw anybody down there right, hey, you didn't say you're in a big theater, so yeah.
Speaker 7:And then people would start messing with each other. Yeah, we're there 16 hours and people Instead of me like did you hear that? You're like what you know? It got to be a bit of a running gag, but um, I asked Mick and he just said yeah, he goes. No, because there's no way, anybody have time for that.
Speaker 3:Did you ever see? Did you ever see like fog or something go down a hall?
Speaker 7:I haven't had a visual. My wife has Um in a home that was well known for it, actually that they rented for about a year, and I actually spoke to my father-in-law's brother, who had a similar story in that home, um, and they would see a full apparition, a woman in a draft. That's crazy, yeah.
Speaker 2:Patrick short. Patrick short says do you remember a crew member who worked on the gloves on freddy for called roger mccoing?
Speaker 7:Roger, I remember the names. Andre remember ryan.
Speaker 2:Those are the two prop.
Speaker 7:The prop they were you know what on Four, I know the name, rogers ringing a bell. If I saw a picture, I'd probably, you know, pick them right out, um, but if he was there, I mean, it's kind of one of those things where there was so much going on, yeah, that you wouldn't I couldn't see somebody like trying to Like fake. They were there. You know what I mean, right? So if somebody was like, oh, I was, like you could mention two or three key things that happened that you'd have to be there to have known. Well, it's so.
Speaker 2:It's so funny because I watched never sleep again the documentary, uh, and then I watched it again and just to see the scale level Of what they were doing on all the, on all the nightmares it was. It was elaborate, I mean, I think four or five Was so huge. You know, I you can easily get lost. Anything could have happened.
Speaker 7:I mean, oh yeah, tell us about the big, the big, freddy, and this also came to mind because you mentioned about different women on the sets and stuff. Right, because they had a lot of nudity and yeah, so now you got to get this though now, okay, the girl who I'd have to watch it again. I watched about a month ago, but the girl is really pushing her chat.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they are, they're coming out.
Speaker 7:Yeah, she was actually, uh, a hustler model she had.
Speaker 2:Hustler was lit back then but here's the kick.
Speaker 7:But she walked around with copies of it. Like you would your resume an edge shot, so like that's me, this is my spread and that's my. You know, I mean, this is my ass, looks like. I'm like, what do you do?
Speaker 2:I smack it like a.
Speaker 7:Yeah, she had a bunch of copies of it. I was like hold it. But then now that one was one, you know, as things went up and that was the first production I was involved with a lot of those people, a lot of them carried over to Freddy's nightmares, um, but it was the first for me working with these people and a lot of this stuff just fucking, it just looked risky, you know what I mean. So, like the big freddy thing, I remember thinking of myself because you know, another Movie I'd worked on, but it was more for security, was roadhouse, the original roadhouse with Patrick's way. So I was security at the location where they built the Ford dealership and then drove the big foot through. So when a big thing like that would be coming up in a film, people are making note or like you're gonna be here because like sometimes people wouldn't be working that there, they'd be working another location, they'd want to come and see this big gag, whatever it was.
Speaker 7:So, with the freddy chest. It was kind of oh you know, george is gonna be doing it tomorrow and they're gonna, and something just told me to stay away from it now. I don't know, work may have pulled me away from it, they might have been doing something else, but I remember Like not being around it when it fell and I remember not wanting to be around it before it fell.
Speaker 2:That thing looks so effort to collapse like that. Yeah, it was just that stable.
Speaker 7:I don't, you know. There's theories on it from people that were closer to it than me. Actually, there's an author, blake best, that wrote a really great book with Mick strong, uh, behind the screams and Uh, he really, and Blake's a big nightmare fan and freddy fans, so he was able to really get into that with Mick and Mick it was production designer on three, four, five and the series.
Speaker 7:Wow with, along with tons of other well-known films, but, um, so yeah, his books got a lot of. That is to like he might get more into or he would get more into, like the nuts and bolts of you Know. This is why that happened. The other one was the uh, the water bed scene.
Speaker 2:Oh, my goodness.
Speaker 7:Yeah, so everything to me about the water bed scene Just looked dangerous. Um, now Again, it was the first real set I'm spending a real time on. But I was talking to Mick about this as well and I said you know, to me I just saw all these hanging lights over this water bed. It's been water tank, fishbowl, there's cables everywhere. I said the whole thing to me just looked like electrocution waiting to happen. And then he's like he goes. We run dc power on that set. Like that he goes, dc would trip a switch the minute it hit moisture of any kind.
Speaker 7:I didn't know. You know what I mean. I'm thinking they're actually hanging these things over people's heads and god forbid, you know Somebody who hasn't slept right in a week, which is everybody. You know, it's the titan, something, and it it something falls into this bed. Um, but they did have, and that's on that documentary that you talk about too. You see them kind of having a bit of a kerfuffle because, yeah, there's some people getting uptight, but my piece in that is, um, when my arm is in that rig and it was for when the souls pop out and they had some heads that came out with armatures.
Speaker 7:Yeah, that's right there.
Speaker 2:So now that to the left side.
Speaker 7:Yeah, those two great. Yeah, those two great two, the two great tubes um have cables and they're working. Puppets kind of that are in the arm. Mm-hmm, my arms in that thing, my hands in that glove. But they kind of made it without Keeping in mind they needed to allow some clearance, like for the arm, you know, for the person's arm. So the way these cables and stuff were poking and jab and they were like crunching on my, my elbow.
Speaker 7:I was like you know if I, if something snips, attendant, I mean who knows. But if you're looking at documentary you'll see somebody's holding my hand up between takes, Because the way I was sitting at rest my arm was just hyping For extended at the elbow. I just need it, just was. And even when you see them call action, I get the hand up. I'm barely doing anything with it at that point because you know they. And then I watch the film and none of it ended up in the film. Don't you know why doesn't that mean?
Speaker 3:post-production mechanical, like if they need you hey.
Speaker 7:Well, there's. There's heads that pop out of the forearm right, so it was operating the heads.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, so those?
Speaker 7:two cables or those two Gray tubes have cables in them for like an armature or whatever would be. I don't know what the word is and maybe stop cable. But and yeah, they're like puppet heads in there that they wanted to come popping out of the arms. So it wasn't just his chest, it was like coming out everywhere. And you know, you know these guys because you're working with them and everything, and sometimes they bring a practical like that, because it was like Sib world, cgi stuff. Some of them work, some of them didn't work so well. Yeah, so you know you're in there and maybe something's kind of not working right and but you want to see it work. You know what I mean, because you're on the team and this is what you saw a guy spending a week with or whatever. So you hang it and you put in a little extra effort. But that when I thought when, I got out of that.
Speaker 7:I my arm. I wasn't able to kind of work my arm the way you're supposed to be able to work an arm, wow. And it took me about an hour or so before I really was like, okay, I didn't fuck up my arm for life, but I wasn't sure for a little while and people get rabid because they're trying to get that shot Right, so the loam was forget that there's a person attached somewhere.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh, yeah and that would?
Speaker 7:that would happen now. See the the one there. I'm sitting in a coffin, right. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 7:So now, now, people, sometimes you have a curiosity, you know you're like, oh, I wonder what it'd be like to lay in a coffin. I'm somebody, close the coffin on, so you really only need to do it. Once I'm gonna be honest with you and then you know, then you know, then you know, and it's not the most comfortable of feelings and it's not a great place to be. Well, in the course of what we were doing in shooting, I mean I had to be, I'd lay down, they close it, then they open it, then I sit up, then they lay down, they close it. I spent far more time in a coffin than you want to spend in a coffin if you don't need, if you don't need to be there right, and Sometimes it would take so much to get me into a position, because, as I look at that, I don't see the rest of the picture, but it could very well be ten feet off the floor. You know what I mean, depending on whatever they were doing.
Speaker 7:Right so sometimes they'd have to kind of lower me into something and I was the guinea pig.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean, because I do it Before Robert did it right for certain things and that and that's what happens being a standard or double you have. They bring you in. They want to make sure, especially in, for they want to make sure your height, the camera levels, everything, everything is working right. So when you you mentioned Robert, was it? Did you have any time with him talking with him About Freddy Krueger, the met, the, the, the walks, the mannerisms?
Speaker 7:You know what happened was he was already. There was some concern because they tried this once before. It didn't work At this point and it's just my perception of it. I could be wrong.
Speaker 2:What do you mean?
Speaker 7:It didn't work to oh, apparently they shot some footage.
Speaker 2:They just this yeah, they want to do, they wanted to, they wanted to have, they didn't want Robert England or they didn't want to use him at that time. They wanted to put, yeah, they didn't want to pay him. And that's what happens in movies, guys, the reality of it all.
Speaker 7:We caught magic in a bottle. They're like right, it's the character.
Speaker 2:It's the characters, so we just laugh at mass corner. He's not. He's not. This is this is not Jason. This is not Michael Myers, this is Freddy Krueger and they messed up right.
Speaker 7:Yeah, yeah. So then they did bring Robert in, so he was cognizant of the fact that that's not gonna work. But and again, this is my own assumption is that things were moving so quickly and Freddy just blew up, to that. I mean, there was every. I still, to this day, pick up stuff at yard sales, flea markets. I've got Freddy chopsticks. No way. You know what I mean yeah, oh, everything, it was like kiss. Yes, because they did with this right.
Speaker 2:Because at that time and after three, he became a phenomenon, like he was. He, like you guys were in the. You guys were already in the horror zeitgeist, but now you're in the zeitgeist, the pop culture. How was that doing like, hey, yo, I'm a part of this.
Speaker 7:You know what? I hadn't watched any Freddy films before I started working on it. I I that's cool.
Speaker 7:I know I dug horror. I mean I was in the theater the week that they released Halloween. We stuck in. So at the theater, nice, yeah, I remember sitting, mortified, watching, and black and white children shouldn't play with dead things when I was, like you know, ten years old, late night on TV chiller, I used to watch all the time. So I love to get the shit scared out of me. But I didn't. You know I wasn't doing the movie thing when the Freddy stuff came along. I just didn't go to as many movies was kid younger, I was going all the time so but I think it helped me and worked for me, because then I wasn't sort of like fanboying out.
Speaker 7:I think if I had a real grasp of the magnitude of it I might have been a bit nervous and and you know, uppity and approach it a little differently. But I sat down with Robert and he showed me like a handful of things to do and he said as long as you stick to those, he goes. I could kind of edit myself Because I know that they're gonna cut my stuff up against you doing one of you know three or four things. He also said they're gonna ask you to do all kinds of shit, don't do it. And he's what we says to you play piano, your play piano. So At the time I mean I knew he was an established actor and you know, a schooled actor and everything else. And this guy's a bit more Worldly to myself. I'm like he's probably gonna start want to talk about some sonnet or something. I'm not gonna know what the hell he's talking about. So he goes. You ever flip guy said no, no, and he goes. Good, neither his Friday he goes. So none of this.
Speaker 7:One thing he told me early on which is sort of the drama, you know what I mean. That like the hand flying into a scene is one thing, but the hand coming in, you know, and an opening, that's something else, you know. So use the two. And there was a scene in Freddy's nightmares for the first episode, where a package arrives on the police chief's porch and the stunt guy is trying to drive the glove right through this box To the and it's not happening. So it's to the point he's got two guys holding the box and he's trying to make this happen.
Speaker 7:And I'm thinking to myself, if he does make it happen, he's stabbing this guy right in the face. I'm like what you know? This is getting crazy now. So I called over the assistant director and this again was the first episode, so we're all just kind of getting started with stuff. But a lot of people I knew from for. So I said the assistant director, I go, this way he's got to do, I go, he's got to keep his hand closed, punch through the box, then open the door make sense, I go it's gonna be more to raise, gonna sadden the other because, okay, he goes over.
Speaker 7:He tells the guy they set it up again. Do it once, perfect, do it twice, great, cut. We're moving on. Okay, that's that. This stunt guy makes a beeline over to me and rips me a new asshole. Man, I'm the stunt coordinator. If you ever have anything you want to talk about, you got an idea. If you've got it and I'm sitting there, I'm just maybe 20 brand new and I'm just sitting here going, oh my god, I'm gonna get fucking fired.
Speaker 7:I'm like this was, I was just starting to have fun, I'm like it's so. So you know, he rah, rah, rah, rah, and he leaves. So the assistant director I talked to and gave him the note comes over to me and he goes fuck that guy, he goes. Any idea. You tell me he goes, I'll tell whoever I want and let him try to tell me that shit.
Speaker 7:And I was like hey, gene, and that was gene, and gene went on to help you get my sad card on the show because he made sure that I was able To get speaking. That's right.
Speaker 2:Thank you. Now you sag eligible and now you in sag.
Speaker 7:Yes, yeah, you know what a good experience then, because there wasn't as much of that Freddy stuff in five, or maybe they kind of came in a different way to do it, like use a more stunt guys doing it. But I ended up offered the onset dresser job for five, which is a great kid, you know, and. But I turned it down Because, willie, I had my sad card. It was time for me to get out in front of the camera now.
Speaker 2:That's right, I love your thinking yeah.
Speaker 3:I didn't realize the networking aspect.
Speaker 7:You know what I mean the value.
Speaker 7:In yes, around, because now I hear people tell stories about you know Freddy's Nibers and stuff. Um, jeff Frar, like one of the producers, talks about how they brought someone in. They did a small piece on that, but then he used them, he thought of them for all these other things, like I just didn't get all that at the time, right, right, because once you have a good relationship with someone they know how your work ethic Then they'll take you on to other things, and that's what and that was happening with new line too.
Speaker 2:You know, as they start, you know they have this, this, this, you know, nightbar on Elm Street franchise and they're growing it and they're there in a workings. The empire is growing, and so they started to use people that had a good work ethic, that they known and they loved, and so you were in the mix. You were right there. Oh I, you just didn't know how to the network. They keep it. Yeah Well, you kept it, because what happened with Freddy's nightmares?
Speaker 7:Yeah, it turned into Freddy's. But here's my story with that kind of thing is, you know I'm on Freddy's nightmares, right. So now, once in there a while, I know all these people. I've worked with them on four. Now, let's say we got three or four months in this craziness that is Freddy's nightmares under our belt. You know you're kind of forged by fire. Um, I found it would be a great camaraderie on set. You know I don't remember anybody being an asshole just for the sake of being an asshole, because they could. Uh, everybody understood the circumstances. Everybody understood you can have a bad day. Everybody understand you're gonna come in and not get the three hours sleep that you know you maybe could disclose in, so you're really feeling like shit. People were really compensated for each other. Um, and we're considering that way.
Speaker 7:So Brad Pitt was one of the people who did an episode of Freddy's nightmares. So Brad Pitt comes in, super nice guy chatting up. A couple of guys know him from a slasher movie he did called I may be cutting class. So they worked with him on that. So they're talking with him and I'm the male standard. So you know we're in the same place at the same time a lot. So we start to chat and Things are cool, but then he's like Now again, this is a different me. I was a little more jaded at the top bed in there a while. I'm like this guy. He's almost like talking too much. You know what I mean. I'm like can this guy give me a break?
Speaker 7:So I was sitting out on the prop trailer, the tail of the prop trailer, and I was eating a can of tuna out of the can Because that was my thing. I was all on this fucking diet, there's shit. So I meet my tuna, my lunch, trying to get a moment, and I look up and who's coming. I go here comes this fucking Brad Pitt again. Now I'm going to try and eat my lunch. I'm going to try and eat my lunch. You know he sits down, he goes Kev, I want you to meet my acting coach and I go, what it goes. I want you to meet my acting coach. Man, really, he goes you.
Speaker 7:And at that point I knew it was coming up. The one where I got my sad car Was coming up and I told him you know, yeah, I'm gonna have a speaking role. And and he said, yeah, that's how it happens that. How's that? So I said I want you to meet my acting, I want you to be an acting coach. So I'm like you know, brad, I can't really afford acting lesson. He goes, she'll work with you if she likes it and I remember he goes, I know she'll like it. He goes. I I did landscaping for to pay for lessons. He goes. It should work with you. I'm telling you, I just want you to be here. It's like, uh, you know I got this thing, you know the freddy thing going here. Yeah, kind of busy, yeah. So I come up with some excuse and, to be honest with you, I was a bit jaded at the time. So I'm like is this guy hitting on me?
Speaker 7:like you know what's going on. So the last shot that any person would have on the set and they'd be wrapped from the show, you know what, the day before it's on the call sheet. So it's like tomorrow, brad's last shot. So, everybody knows. Typically everybody comes around and they say this you know they wrap it because that was brad's last shot. We're gonna be saying goodbye to brad everybody. Big round of applause Like the faggot, and then occasionally actor would say something you know, thanks everybody, everybody's great, it's a wrap yeah and then everybody starts with the networking, with the phone numbers and the whole thing.
Speaker 7:So I saw he shot was coming up and I'm like, oh, this guy's gonna start now with this. He wants a phone numbers and everything, and I made myself scarce. I went out to the parking lot or something. So a guy on the set who was gay, which is fine, I could care less. But he comes up, he goes, it was brad's last shot, I go, okay, he goes. He was looking for you, he goes. He wants us to, all you know, get people together and go out. And that was like, oh yeah, I bet. So then I'm like you know, forget. And then I'm on to another six months to shoot in Freddy's night.
Speaker 2:So you missed the opportunity so please.
Speaker 7:So now, here now I'm home in jersey with my wife when the first movies we go to right, going to see pretty woman and the coming attractions come up and it's for cool world. So that one of brad's big was this cool world, which was half animation and half live action. So we're sitting like this and all of a sudden I see I go, oh, that looks like that fucking brad pit, that's fucking brad. Now I'm loud like people I want fucking brad. But my wife, I thought she goes. Well, what I go? Brad pit, who I go? This kid, this one, this one, this kid who wants.
Speaker 7:That's it. Then they say you know, it's the right brad pit. I went holy fuck. And then it became what it became, you know, and he became what he began.
Speaker 7:There's just no Wow but it's one of those crossroads where you go. You know, if I made a right instead of a left, to be honest with you, there was a while where it used to be. It used to hammer me because I mean I'm seeing a guy everywhere. You know what I mean. So it's not like I remember therapy. I'm talking which I'm a big proponent there. I'm talking my therapist, he goes. Well, everybody looks back at stuff. I go, I'm not looking. I go, they're showing it to me. I go, I'm not sitting around mowing this shit over. I go, I'm watching tv and there's new movies popping on. I said how am I supposed to forget about it? But it was actually my daughter who said to me and I agreed she goes. You know what? To be honest, when you had you with that age, she said if that would have started to happen like that for you, she goes, you'd be dead. And she's absolutely right, I would. I would have lived like a maniac, I'd be dead.
Speaker 7:There's no no, no doubt about it.
Speaker 2:But he was on something he wanted, he wanted you to. It was, it was, it was big afflict and, matt Damon, that was the the, the duel he was trying to make happen. See that you know to me. But but we, but look, we, we know that there's a story and a journey that you had to take, yeah, and it was, and I'm, I'm certain I would end up that I know because I would just push and push and push. Because highly, highly weird, back in it was a party.
Speaker 7:I mean I had. You know I was heavily distracted. It wasn't so much a drug and drinking thing, but you know, dirt, dirt. I mean you know you're sitting with these extras all day long and I'm a stand-in, so you know I can run over a couple snicker bars when everybody's hungry right that?
Speaker 2:yeah, that's different. And there are haters, there are jealousy, that were happy like right at the drop of time. Did that happen with you?
Speaker 7:um, yeah, I had one story where um and I hadn't thought of it in age as it came up. I was talking to somebody about it. Uh, it was during freddy's nightmares and at a classroom scene and I knew a lot of these extras because I'd worked with them on heathers. You know I'd worked. One of them was on the blob and it was the same people kind of circulating around doing the extra work on these things and we had a classroom scene so, and I was in it because it would stick me in there and make an extra 20 bucks. You know, I'd fill out my invoice, get a bomb.
Speaker 7:So, uh, they clear it out and then we move on to whatever and later in the day the prop guys go back to the set and they're cleaning it up and no one comes over and he's laughing like hell and he's got the notebook from the props and some girl had written like a manifesto about me in this book and yeah, yeah, this motherfucker thinks he's. So now, look at him. Now he thinks he's been bed. Now he won't even Like a whole thing. I was like holy shit, I'm like you know, did I not give you a snickers? I don't know what happened, but somebody, she's just hating on me, man Just hate it happens, but it was Really a lot of.
Speaker 7:It was the thing about it that I can even kind of marvel at a little bit is to be at that age, to be out there as overwhelming as everything was, and then I've got this glove on my hand. So the things I'm being involved in doing, like on uh, in freddy's nightmares, uh, mariska harjatek Was one of the early episodes and in her episode, um, she ends up over her grandmother who was dying, and then the grandmother turns into freddie. So the shot is, you know, looking down at the grandmother and then In a shot they later pick up a robert and then the reverse is looking at her and then the hand comes in and grabs her by the back of the head. So I mean I show up for work one day and inside the first hour that I'm there, you know I'm laying on the floor with mariska harjatek and we're working out how I'm going to grab her by the back of the head and people are, you know, just to probably nervous about how this is going to happen, because it was a full-blown glove the glove yeah.
Speaker 7:Clip you can see how she like will fight like for a second and then, when she does break away, how my hand goes so far in the other direction. You know what it means. So it's not good tangled with her hair or whatever right.
Speaker 2:I have a question whether so multiple gloves or their multiple gloves that you guys have, you know what?
Speaker 7:I always had the one.
Speaker 7:Now, whether or not, it's the same one that they used on four. I don't know, but I could tell you that on freddy's nightmares there was one glove and I was shocked that it made it through, because there would be times robert would stand off set, he'd come off the set, he'd take it off, he'd hand it to me. It was so soaked with sweat that it would take two other guys to help. The two prop guys would help me get in it, because they'd hold it open and I'd work my hand into it and then they would put it in storage overnight. Well, the next day would be dried up like a potato chip and I was like how is this every? There were so many times that I was like this is the last time I'm gonna pull this thing. I was gonna fall apart and it didn't. What, yeah?
Speaker 2:and how was it putting it on? Was it like, like you know? Was it?
Speaker 7:heavy. It's not that heavy. It's really not that heavy. Um it it really. I really thought the thing was gonna fuck it fall apart at some point because it was so loose and just worn in and, um, you know, there were the key things you could do that were so signature, freddy, um, when I would have it on. First off, there were only three of us really my four of us, believe myself that handled the glove regularly, which was robert, myself, and then the two prop guys, because the two prop guys kept in storage.
Speaker 7:I said early on, and however I established it, I'm only handling this thing, either robert or the two prop guys, that's it. So, like I said, robert already told me they're gonna ask, they'll probably ask you to crazy kooky things, don't do it. So, with the glove, I was like, and sometimes wardrobe might come over and go look, we need to just check this. Right, I go, I'm, I, I give it the gym. Paul, robert, that's it. I go. If you want, if gym comes over, I give you the gym, he gives it to you, that's. You know, it's out of my hands.
Speaker 7:Part of it I said, but I'm just to keep myself above board and everything. And the other is, if I had the black pants on I could do it a little bit more easily. But if I had it on I would actually put my hand like close the fist and put it like half in my pocket, like I didn't want people know I had it on Because, like you said, well, because, like you said about a set, you know, kind of people could kind of float in especially then I'm like I don't need some coming over with a machete, you know, hold my hand, taking it off at the wrist and run it out the door. I mean that's the glove. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:There's. There's been times where you hear on sets like people have stolen masks, things that were very, uh, crucial to a film, and of course, this I feel like it's always an inside job Because there's so many movie people and things Um, but to get a original from us, oh yeah, movie set is is priceless there's love, forget it. Did you did? Did you have any? Did you was? Were you tempted at times to take mr Freddy cruise? Uh, glove.
Speaker 7:That gets back to the fact that I wasn't really tuned into the franchise.
Speaker 2:You know, what.
Speaker 7:I mean, like I, I got that there was a lot of hype around it, but I hadn't. Also, I hadn't been around for the build up, like some of the folks that were working with us were on it since the first one. You know what I mean, wow some capacity or another. These people knew the pedigree of the provenance.
Speaker 7:All that kind of thing I didn't really you know, and I remember the prop guy setting me down one day and maybe I was having a shit, I don't know. But he says to me goes, do you know how many kids he goes would give their left arm To sit here and put that on the right hand. It goes right a couple minutes, it's just a couple minutes. Yeah, I was living in the thing.
Speaker 7:I mean, in the days I come back and my fingers were pruned like from being in a pool yeah, because I was just in this thing and just sweat and sweat and sweat. But it's something I Came to be and I'm gonna have to remember it now when I start doing these cons and I'm sure it'll come back to me. But you're you're hyper vigilant about the fact that you have these five. You know four things that I mean you've changed somebody's life. You know what I mean. And it's on your hand.
Speaker 7:Right, you can't forget you have it on and scratch your fucking nose. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Oh, you're dry balls, or yeah. Yeah, what are?
Speaker 7:you gonna do?
Speaker 2:Like whoa, I'm gonna put my fucking glove on, you're like all this shit.
Speaker 7:So it seems like when I look at pictures, that that sort of vigilance with the glove was earlier, that later. You know, I'm seeing pictures everybody wearing a glove on set Like this right here was a rare chance because I've got a couple of pictures from that same set when it was just a perfect storm the way the set was built. There was just me and one other guy who was a lighting guy and we were gonna be there for a little bit because the gag was somebody's running down the hole and I reached through that wall behind me and I'm swinging at them. So we had a lot of downtime. I had the glove there was really no one else around and that's when I give it to my camera and I started farting around with it. He started taking pictures.
Speaker 3:No, you were carrying the. What was it? The 110, a slime line one.
Speaker 7:Yeah, I had little 110, slim, 110 camera. I taped over the button for the flash to make sure I didn't turn a flash on Because that would have just ruined a shot, right, forget it. And there was once or twice something happened. But they also had Polaroids everywhere, so there were people snapping Polaroids, and they do. Yeah oh, that was the thing. I've got some cool-ass Polaroids man.
Speaker 7:Somebody that one, actually with my arm in the rig, that's a Polaroid yeah that one there and I've got like I think I'm three of those and In this to me I'd mentioned on my Facebook thing and that picture on the right actually is the car that crushes, crushes him in the junkyard, wow, and that's the next day and it's just that hand on there. That picture's never been anywhere. The one with the hand on the car. This one's the right, so um wow yeah to the right. So the next thing still there I was walking into work is took a snap nice.
Speaker 3:So if I got this right, you got. You can't round up the camera everywhere. You're going on all these sets and you're making a what a documentary.
Speaker 7:No.
Speaker 3:I was just snapping pictures.
Speaker 7:I was snapping pictures sent home to my boys Because I was.
Speaker 2:That's so funny.
Speaker 7:I was like nobody's gonna believe this shit. Right, I would. I would snap the pictures, I make two sets. I keep a set and I'd send us at home. So I was taking pictures like when the hell am I ever gonna be here again? You know right.
Speaker 7:And then it just took on a little bit of a life of its own, a pretty snite marriage, because by then I know everybody. We're a bit more comfortable. So I might hand the guy want to go here, I'm gonna jump in. You know, while they set up the shot, take a couple pictures of me they would, but then they had their own job to do, so I might lose track of the camera for like an hour or two and it would come back and somebody snapped a couple of shots that they saw, that they don't know, hey, that's pretty dope, because you, because you're giving your camera to someone and there's show you there, their lanes, and that's crazy, that's not stuff like the Polaroids.
Speaker 7:You know, people say to me oh, thanks for sharing this stuff. And then, of course, there's people sending messages about you. Shouldn't you know so much? You could get money in this picture, that picture. But something like the Polaroid to me was like a collaboration.
Speaker 3:You know what I mean.
Speaker 7:I happen to be the one in the picture, but somebody and this kind of speaks to the camaraderie on the set, but somebody else was nice enough to think to take a couple extra shots and hand them to me. I mean clearly. I have to do it and at that point I'm in such a position in this rig I'm not reaching in hand and anybody you know, a camera and I'm worried as much in the beginning, but those when, the ones that I could see somebody else was nice enough to pick a picture handed to me, I'm like.
Speaker 7:I almost feel like yeah to me in it, but I don't feel like it's mine. You know what I mean. I'm like this is something that if it's something I think fans would like to see, then I want them to see it, because, you know, I'm not fully responsible for it right now, freddie's nightmare that was you speaking of collaboration.
Speaker 2:That was like a family and at that point in time Freddie's nightmares was like the Crypt Keeper. It was, you see, freddie in the beginning. You know, again, a low budget series, right, that they know that they is a spin-off from the hype from four and they wanted to see where it would go. This was a series, you guys, that will be played at night midnight. So it was pushing the envelope, it was risky, it was. It was the whole Freddie, right, and you had these celebrities that would come on be features of that episode and then they'll kill them off and then Freddie Would come back at the end. So he'll be in the beginning or the end, or you know. You know, and it kind of. You know, freddie nightmares were these stories of Freddie that Freddie was telling. So if you see Freddie In an episode, it was a hundred percent Kevin, oh yeah, doing the work.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let me tell you, in these series you know they didn't want to pay Robert. They didn't want to pay him. You know they paid him for that particular Shot and typically that particular shot the beginning of the end was being done During the episode and the director would have to run, or there was two things happening at the same. Was a safe time? Tell us how hard it was working on the series. Now, playing Freddie, you're now dubbed the number two. You're now in those roles. How was it? Because you were very crucial and you were. You were now the star if, if Robert wasn't there, you were it.
Speaker 7:Yeah, it was really on the series that I got If it wasn't grasping the magnitude of the franchise. I did get the magnitude of the job.
Speaker 2:Let's go.
Speaker 7:This was it. Yeah, this is a job. This was something Robert a cultivated, you know yes.
Speaker 7:Putting a lot into this. So I would be watching him as he moved and walked around, whether it was in Freddie gear or not, and some of it was his natural cadence and walking and stuff anyway, and of course he kind of just, you know, loosen it up a little bit once he had full gear on. But anything where there's just the glove was me, and Then anything where you don't see his face was me. And there was a lot of work to do on the series. Everybody on a series ended up. You were sleep-de-bot Deprived, you were exhausted. We ran such a crazy schedule that there were days that I could tell I had been awake at every moment of the day at some point in the week so by the end of the week.
Speaker 7:You know you're just shot out and there were a lot of people working harder than me physically. What I dealt with was more of a fatigue mentally, because I really have to put myself somewhere else in some of these situations because you know they may lay me down on a guillotine right and I'm laying on a guillotine for 45 minutes.
Speaker 7:So then I'm like you know, I gotta put you. You're sitting there staring at a guillotine, but I mean you got to kind of put yourself up elsewhere. You know what I mean, right? Because otherwise you can make yourself a little crazy. So Probably the worst would be when they were shooting overhead, because you could be laying on a bed and now the camera is, you know, five, ten feet over your head and there's all these people working over your head. And I just spent a week watching a guy unsnap the camera, pick it up and walk it across the room like it's nothing. So I know it's fastened into that rig, but I also know that the person who fastened it into the rig it's had less sleep than me. So but I'm not going anywhere, I'm laying on right.
Speaker 7:That's the job. But you got to kind of get somewhere else mentally, you know, to get through it, and it was more the physical or the mental for me. There are a lot of people that physically were really put through it. But I would have hectic days where they'd switch me in and out of stuff. On four I am actually, and that's one shot, I'd say where I'm in the doctor scrubs and that they put me full blown Robert, and that's the scene where Alice looks and it's dream dance, dream sequence, when he's killed and there's a Dr Freddy. So I was so did you put the makeup on.
Speaker 7:That they put a mask on me. So they put one of the. I would say it was probably like a second for the stuff that these guys, the guys who made the masks, like it might have been a second, like it wasn't right enough, you know and and that, but yeah, they had me in it because, at that, time they started to do more doubles or like for like dream sequences or whatnot.
Speaker 2:There would be like a bunch of Freddy's, so like they had a bunch of masks or something that that mask looked really good for being back in the day. Come on now. Oh yeah, I mean.
Speaker 7:Really just like a store brought that they would put on the dummy if you were at all something or whatever to kill them yeah yeah, and people would put that on monkey round with it a little bit. But the picture I'm trying to find is I did have one in those doctor scrubs with the needle glove. I'm oh. I know, but I gotta find, I gotta try to find it the needle.
Speaker 2:Okay first of all, do you know that this is there? There's these replicas right now. Do you have one?
Speaker 7:I do not actually right now. I have somebody making me a glove. Kevin, right, I'm gonna say Alizar is the guy who's making a glove for me right now.
Speaker 2:Okay, rudy, if you see this, thank you, hook my man, kevin up because he needs a glove. This is history, this is. You are in this like guys, so you are part of it and I know you after you know you not knowing the this, how big this thing is. You know, you went back to Jersey, you had your life, you're like okay, and you didn't even like I mean, you're the guy from Jersey, right? So you didn't realize how huge it is. Did you hear Freddie and this, all this stuff, and you see, but like you, you, you, you haven't hit us. This is what your second interview, yeah, and you haven't hit a con just yet. A horror commission.
Speaker 7:Just yet, february 17th, I'm doing a show, a small show, four hours, and now I'm talking to God about something's gonna take place in San Antonio, nice this is the show. Antonio. Yeah, that's the one in February. I'm San Antonio. It's gonna be either April or May day, probably April, I'm death.
Speaker 2:What are you doing here?
Speaker 7:You know what it is with With these. With that, I'll have a glove up a sweater. Nice I. May take jackets with me. I'm a little kind of. These are all shots that we put together.
Speaker 2:Nice in there.
Speaker 7:I'll take pictures with people there. I'm a lot of love on the sweater I May break, so I've got my crew jacket still, of course. What, marys, if they gave us? Yeah? That's so dope and that's the one that it, and that's the one he signed no way. There it is y'all, there it is. Yeah so he was the one that actually came up the Freddie number two. So then I just ran with it because I'm like you know red fast.
Speaker 2:Like that's a long part with it.
Speaker 7:And then this one, because I mentioned you said screen you stuff. It's a little. This seemed better days, but this is a fleece jacket, right the hood. This I show up for working this thing. It was the first new piece of clothing I bought myself, and how long. Because I was finally working steadily. I was so happy to be there because I knew we're gonna be all night. I'd already froze my ass in a junkyard. So I'm like now, you know, at least I'm not frenzy, bring a jacket with me. So I'm staying on the curb next night.
Speaker 7:Girl Dana, when the ticket met, player from the wardrobe Just talking where I just got there catching up, you know, and ready, harlan comes over Dragging this kid by the arm is an extra and he's in one of the Letterman jackets and he says to her I'm paraphrasing course four years ago, because what is this? And she goes is a jacket, it's a Letterman's jacket. Why? It's the same as Dan's. And she goes. Well, they're on the same team because it's the same jacket. It's boring. And she goes. Well, what kind of jacket do you want? It goes, I don't know. He looks at me, he points me, goes that jacket, and he walks away and leaves a kid stand in there.
Speaker 7:So Dana looks at me, goes could we use your jacket for the scene? She was, you got to be in Dan's jacket later. Anyway, just wear it. I go, okay. So the kid wears a jacket in the scene and the scene is when they pull up the red pickup truck and then they get out him and Dan and they head into the craven. So that's the exterior. We shoot that and it's about a week later that now we're picking up the shot as an interior. Yeah, so I Look at the call sheet and I see the shot they're picking it up, but nobody says anything to me about the jacket. So I go. I could stick a blooper in this film with this jacket, but I know everybody so well and I go. I don't want to get anybody in trouble. You know what I mean. It's a some. This is for right bring it.
Speaker 7:Yeah, for so I go up, bring it in the car and if anybody says anything, now just wrap, get it, save the day. That's that. Well, it turns out, as they were shooting that scene was the same time we were shooting the Dr Freddy scene, so I'm on the other side of the sound, so I'm what row?
Speaker 7:now I'm in full Freddy stuff. Yeah, I'm like, if this goes down, like I'm not over there to say anything and I do hear some commotion as they're shooting, so I'm like, oh shit, this is the thing, this is what well, the commotion was? Because if you look in the film, not only is the kid not in the same jacket, it's not the same fucking kid.
Speaker 7:So, shit we're making a commotion about. So the commotion I heard Because I'm hearing stuff and they're like that's not, but, this isn't gonna look and but, but, but, and I'm going, oh shit, and I'm in this mask, you know, with the needle glove, and I'm going, oh my god, now I'm worried the poor wardrobe girls getting chewed out. You know what I mean?
Speaker 7:Oh, no, I can't wait to get out of this stuff and go find out, like, what happened, and by then it's gonna be too late and then you know we can't fix anything. But then I found out that the reason there was this upset was because of the kid. So they were so concerned with the fact that it was a different kid that they you know space down on the jacket back. Yeah, now, the interesting thing about the kid was the one you see in the jacket. Get out of the truck. The reason he didn't come back was because he got a featured extra on. Don't tell mom the babysitter.
Speaker 2:This is my life, this is my childhood.
Speaker 7:Y'all, you, you you tell my childhood. If you look through nightmare for Heather's and then don't tell mom the babysitter's dad, I'd have to think of others that shot when I was there. But if you watch those and specifically looked at the background, you're gonna see the same people everywhere. Man, wow, because we all yeah yeah, so there was a 30 to 40 of us. They they recirculated through all that stuff.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, so, yeah, so I got a question for you, mm-hmm, I've been on your, I've been on your website, I read, I read a something and you got this description opening Opening. Can you describe what the ice cold realization was when you're sitting there, finding yourself in your underwear on in the fetal position? What?
Speaker 7:was that what I never?
Speaker 3:got it never concluded. I was like, okay, he's in his underwear in a trailer. Ice cold was realization, yeah, and it just went off a topic. I was oh, what.
Speaker 7:What happened with that was that was the same night that they filmed exterior of the Craven so they could add the jacket. The reason they need they left me in the letterman's jacket was because I had a shot toward the end of the night when I doubled for Dan. Where he's gonna be put, he was on a gurney and they lift them, they put him in the back of an ambulance. They close the door. It's glowing green inside, two guys get in the drive, go off and then I think, as it was written, it turns out Freddy's driving the ambulance. So I think that ended up changed for whatever reason. But so I'm strapped on this gurney and, oh no, I may have to jump off For the pods and hear you straight up. I could still hear you. Okay, I could still hear you. You can hear me.
Speaker 2:Yep, yep.
Speaker 7:Yep, okay, this next so I.
Speaker 7:Okay, great.
Speaker 7:So the gurney is a little janky. The prop guys know it because it's third gurney. What prop guys would do is there's certain things they just always have and then they rent it to the production Because otherwise production have to buy it. So you know they'll rent the gurney from guy or they'll rent the meat cleaver, you know whatever it is. So they had this gurney and the two guys are from transportation and truck drivers.
Speaker 7:We're gonna be driving this thing, can't figure out this gurney. So while they're trying to do it, at one point, you know, my head's four inches from the pavement, my feet are pointed at the sky, and then I'm down. This I'm not. I used to have to remind people like yo, you know, like there's a person on here, wherever it was. You know I have to knock on the car. You know, remember, I'm here. So the prop guys keep stepping up and boom, boom, they get it up, they get it in. Then the guys Predation guys, track camp, no, prop guys again, boom, boom.
Speaker 7:While somebody makes a decision goes, fuck it. They go to prop guys. Put on the the empty outfit. You're gonna be driving the van and you know we'll come back to it. Okay, everybody break for 10. Well, they leave me laying on the fucking stretcher because again you can be off this thing right Some way sitting there in the street waiting everybody's coming back.
Speaker 7:Now we start coming around again. We do one quick rehearsal goes great. I go all right, it's what we're gonna do. We're gonna load you in, keep driving until you hear us yell cut over the radio. Okay, so I know the prop guys. The van is not mic'd, so I know it's gonna be fun like we're just gonna bust plus something on this drive. It's never just the thing. You know what I mean. If you have the opportunity to try to make somebody else laugh, so it's, it's gonna happen. So they load me up, they close it.
Speaker 7:We go tearing down the street. So we're going going and one of the guys says to the other in the front he goes look man, we should turn around because they said don't stop until they said cut. And he goes well, I don't want to fuck it up, I think we should turn around. I was it. So they come to the decision they're gonna turn around. He said we can't even see the set from here. So as we pull back up, I'm seeing it get bright in the front because we're coming up on the set and I'm here and one of guys said you like what's going on, what the hell is, because I don't know. So he stops the car, people open the doors, they're helping them out, they come around the back, they're pulling me out and was like you're okay, yo, okay, you're all right, you guys are okay. I'm like, well, yeah, now is they're getting me out of this thing.
Speaker 7:A PA comes over and he goes. Why didn't you guys stop? He goes because nobody else cut. He goes. We were yelling cut because you didn't hear it yelling cut. He goes. No. So then somebody realizes that the prop guys and the transportation guys are on two different channels. Go shoot, yeah, and the road was just cut was because they only had coverage. It like the first Intersection, or maybe two intersections and we went four.
Speaker 2:So we went. So you're telling me they because when you, when you're doing, you're shooting outside In the street setting, you have rose blocks, you have all that stuff, you have permits, all that. Yep, you're not expecting cars to be room, you guys are literally just driving and now you're often you passed your permit, you're down the street.
Speaker 7:Yeah, because they're yelling cut, but the radios weren't, and it's just that quick, it's just that quick man. Oh, my God.
Speaker 7:I get out and I'm feeling a vibe you know what I mean, because everybody just watched this, so and it's still a movie and you're like I could have got killed. You know somebody's going to walk by you with shit in her arm going somewhere and go, but you didn't. And we're moving on the next shot. You know, it's like, not that people aren't being compassionate about it, but they're just like, yeah, you could have. We're all glad you didn't, but we got to keep moving because we got to be out of here in an hour. So I'm still digesting it.
Speaker 7:And I go back to the trailer. And she needed the Dan wardrobe to give Dan and I remember I pulled the stuff off and you know you're changing it out of shit all the time, you know, you see. But I remember I opened the door and I handed her all the stuff and I'm standing over the door opening my underwear and I'm still kind of just standing there for a second and somebody walks by and says, hey, kev, glad you're all right. And I'm standing in the doorway of this trailer in my underwear, like, am I really like? How all right am I? You know what's all right? And that day down and I did? I curled up in a ball and I'm going what the fuck? Because it was only less than a year before. I'm in a situation in the desert, my shit burns Right Lab, whatever. Now I'm on this movie and this is my first year away from home.
Speaker 2:Oh, my goodness.
Speaker 7:I'm like is this what it's going to be Like? Is this the deal now? Like you know, I've flown from the nest and I got to make sure I don't get killed every two minutes. Right, it is life, but usually in a far less elaborate way. So all of that all at once was it just left me and she told the wardrobe girl had said she goes, just take your time, she goes, I'll just help people where you're at. So I had to kind of gather myself and I don't know how long I was in there. But when I did go back out, that kid was the one who wore the jacket. They had him doing my job as a stand Any other time and Willie would know.
Speaker 7:If you're on set and suddenly someone's doing your job, you're like what the fuck? You know, because everybody wants his job. But I could tell the reason they were doing. It is just they didn't want to bother me. So yeah, it was. And it's different. Having gone through, like the gun thing, you're sitting there, you're like I think this is going to happen. It's different when you realize after the fact you know what I mean. It's like you go, I could have got killed 10 minutes ago, and then it comes kind of rushing in. But yeah, that's the rest of that story is. I realized just how quickly and that's like you know, you see, these things are happening now, the rust set With Alec Baldwin or other things you hear about. What was the one With Vic Maro, with the helicopter close encounters now? No, wasn't that uh, it was.
Speaker 3:It was a remake of a TV show made into a movie, wasn't it?
Speaker 7:Yeah, yeah and I mean the crow, yeah, and then the crow and all that was happening around that time.
Speaker 7:Yep oh yeah, and I just put a link to this on my Facebook page. But you know, there was a guy that roomed with me or I had an apartment, but I was hardly ever there. And it was a guy I met on nightmare, for he was just coming to hang around. Actually was there that night of the van and Got to know him. Nice enough guy, he needed a place to stay. He was literally out living in his car. I knew him, kind of felt like enough. I didn't own a whole bunch of shit.
Speaker 7:But the apartment, the way it was set up, it was a corner apartment. It faced and out. It was a bad news. If you're not gonna be there, at least you know once every 24 hours. With the way it was shooting, it was crazy. So I told me you stay in my place, keep an eye on things. I'll be, I'm anyway.
Speaker 7:Why come home one day and I hit the answering machine and it's all messages for him. And it starts with Other kids like our age who turned out they were fellow students at the Beverly Hills Playhouse, which is where my buddy would go to school. He's paying for that, but he couldn't afford a place to live right. So they're frantic trying to get a hold of it and I'm hearing this like I'm like I wonder what the hell happened. Then the phone calls start to change and they are administrators from the Beverly Hills Playhouse and their people Reckon, representing different news channels. Right, this is news for this news tech. Jeff, if you're not gonna be called, you know this is the administrator from the school. I'm like, what the fuck? Then there's calls from the LAPD. Jeff, if you're there, if you could please be up. And I'm hearing all this going. What in the fuck? So yeah, go up that night. I'm not answering the phone. I don't know what to tell anybody.
Speaker 7:I hear the story the next day. His friend Was doing a scene for class. He was doing scene from lethal weapon the first lethal weapon when Mel Gibson contemplates suicide, what? And the kid shot himself in the back of the head In class and my buddy saw it. He was there for it and that particular school Would record just an audio CD of your critique in your notes and then you could check it out Like you check out a library book, right, right, because he had performed that duty as part of his scholarship to work there. So he made a mad dash over and he grabbed the cassette tape out of the cassette player as all this craziness is going on, and um then took off. So people were looking for him because they knew he had this tape. And then he eventually did go back in and, you know, took care of everything. The kid lived, he lived what?
Speaker 2:yeah crazy story. Man man, you at the height.
Speaker 7:The standard she knew start the stars with all the like girls crying and guys like Jeff, jeff. And then I'm here in administrators from the school and the uh, you know channel, channel two news, then LAPD. I'm like what the fuck did this guy do? Jesus, yeah, that story that it's an LA time. I have a link on my facebook page.
Speaker 2:Still it listen, you were a part of the height of of Hollywood. Man, like the movies that were coming out in the 80s and 90s was just the best and practical and fun, and I just I know, oh, I want to share this with you. Uh, so that's you.
Speaker 7:Yeah, that's me. Yeah, I'm muted when you run stuff. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 7:Yeah, that's me. That one actually was directed by toby hooper, which was kind of fun, you know what I mean. I'm like, oh my god, this is the guy you know, texas chainsaw. So With that, yeah the, he wanted the glove and it was. You know, it was odd, because sometimes people would want you to use the glove in a way that was just kind of more effect than anything else because, like, let's say, freddy was prowling around that house, right, that's not about a bushes, you know the hand first right.
Speaker 7:Well, I mean he's not gonna telegraph it, but that I remember doing and thinking it was my little homage to the opening from chill, because the original chiller theater used to have that hand with the theater.
Speaker 2:Yes, look, you're your. Your mannerisms it's such like robert. I mean right, love this, freddy. Uh, I love it. You, I mean, even though you did. You're like, hey, I want to ask you, I'm gonna do this and you fell into this role. You did such a good job. I want to watch this, watch the other clip real quick, mm-hmm. So Yo, yo.
Speaker 7:Sequences.
Speaker 2:Now, at that time was like when they shot freddy. In freddy's nightmare, the hair was slicked back. Was that the look that they were going for?
Speaker 7:Yeah, I mean they split me in a curl, it in the back a little bit, you know, because bauer has that bit of a curliness and we tried to shoot things because I did notice. The other one was, um, the ice cream truck stuff, or it looks like maybe it's delivery truck. But uh, in the first episode, yeah, I actually run a couple times like there's a full body shot and I can remember I'd have to tilt or lean a certain way because they, you know they wanted it, that it didn't, you couldn't realize. You know that it was me.
Speaker 2:I love, I love. I just want to say that I love where you look to the right. I mean it just totally gives that freddy vibes, bro, like a freaking out over here.
Speaker 7:So it's like the eyes move before the head. Yeah, if you guys are listening on our podcast.
Speaker 2:You guys got to go to our live show or to our YouTube channel and check out these, these clips of kevin doing his thing. It's, it's, it's so, it's so, freddy, but go ahead, as you was telling your story. The funny thing is and I thought it might- have cost me the job, but it's been.
Speaker 7:Um, there's people because now that I'm putting it out there, you know a lot of people because they haven't heard of this Yet. They've been following the series and everything for how long they they feel they know absolutely everything about. Now, all of a sudden, there's a piece. It's a significant piece. They don't know about it. They're like I don't know. So I've had some people kind of go and I don't, how can you tell this? That the other, so the one guy, and he got the joke eventually. But I sent them a picture like like this, right, but here's the reason why this finger, if you see, I got it cut off here when I was a kid. Uh-huh, I see it and I can't bend it any more than that. Wow, and I can't do it on my own. So I started looking at those shots and I could see that.
Speaker 7:You'll see, even at one more. I'm walking down the stairs, uh-huh, framing. At one point you clearly see it's that finger. Oh my god, this guy who was like, who anybody could above, above, above, above. I sent them the two for comparison and he was like, oh, holy shit, you are the guy. Wait. So you would get people say, oh, that's that, you a hardcore fan because you know how it is.
Speaker 7:Some people right, you know absolutely I'm not sure how it is. Some people right, you know absolutely there's nothing you're gonna tell them that they don't know About the night down streets here or about four, you know what. Even people are focused on the series, but most of the people who are series oriented or a little bit lighter with this stuff, because the whole thing about the series was so light yeah, I tell people that nightmare four was like boot camp and freddy's nightmares was like day camp, you know, and it was that that big of a difference between the two. Um, it was a lot. I had a lot of fun working on freddy's nightmares. A lot of stuff, I know you did.
Speaker 2:Bro, I know you did. I know you did because you have full reign and you were the key, and when robert wasn't around, you were it and you had to get the shots in you know what I?
Speaker 7:at points I used to joke and I said I should change my name to wears robert, because that's what anybody would say the minute they saw me, because now some of these people are there and maybe they wouldn't have accepted job or maybe they wouldn't even at, you know, audition for, who knows? Except, maybe part of it was like, hey, I might get killed by freddy, like I get to, you know, work with freddy. And then this guy from jersey shows up with like half a sweatron in the claw camera, you know, trying to try out. You know like there was one guy actually was uptight Um, and he said that character I've seen him on other stuff and in his scene he's in a dentist chair and he lays back and I have to reach up and around and I draw just the blade across his neck and what we did was we put the blood on the blade and it just as I went like this and then left the blade.
Speaker 7:So I had to make contact with the guy, which was rare Um, and he wasn't really having it for a while. They had to like tell him this is kind of how we do it and I I don't really blame him, you know. I mean, this guy was probably in his 40s and an actor has been all over, he looks at me and he sees this young kid. Don't mess it up. Well, not just don't mess it up, it's like don't mess me up.
Speaker 7:Right, right right in front of his face and everything you know, that's your moneymaker.
Speaker 7:Yeah, responsibility of it. Like I had to be on point. I mean I didn't really and I got into habit of that. On four, I didn't really do much partying of any kind during the week. Now, at the end of each day people gather around the prop truck and have a beer. Mm-hmm, because if you look through freddy's nightmares, you're gonna see miller Signs everywhere. If there's a party scene and there's empties, you're gonna see miller highlight everywhere, draft everywhere. Because they worked out deals with the beer distributor where they're like well, it's everywhere, but that means you got beer. You know we might have a scene where we're the back of the liquor store. You know we need 50 cases or whatever. So they just had this constant flow of free beer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I bet you they would give money too, but yeah, but I would just go over.
Speaker 7:Oh no, then it wasn't product placement, it wasn't official, it wasn't product placement back then. Oh no, no, no, this was both. That was just the start of people doing that kind of shit.
Speaker 7:Wow yeah wow, so crazy. What I would do is I'd grab two beers every night but then get a car, drive home and put them in the fridge and then come friday night, you know you stack boy. Yeah, yeah, you ready to go? Yeah, dan hasl got a kick out of that because I was driving him home from the set once on four Uh-huh, and I put the two beers in the back, he goes. Oh, I'm glad he goes. I thought you were gonna drink those in the way home. I go. No, I'm not drinking drive, I go. Like keep them in my fridge. The other week. He goes. You guys from he said will, he goes. He goes. You guys from jersey, always got a scam, he goes, he goes. You guys from jersey scheme. I go. What's the scheme? Guys can be two beers. I'm drinking them later, right?
Speaker 2:Why, what are you gonna do? What they gonna do with the beers? Don't wait, like come on.
Speaker 7:It was the light. You know, I mean, put us just a lot of work, man. I mean, you know, people are just constantly going, going, going. Um, mick talks about how they would just recycle this set. You know, it might be somebody's kitchen one day, who's the living room the next, so it's curtains. Come down, you paint the place, you do this, you do that. Um, he had a couple stories where he said the walls, which are basically a luan panel In most cases, but they'd be so they'd have so many layers of paint on them, they go that they got heavy to move this shit around.
Speaker 7:Really, yeah and you know, by freddy's nightmares I come to trust everybody because I knew and I'd known them from the other productions. But there is a lot of trust and what I was doing because I'd go into these scenarios like the guillotine, you know. And well, they told me they have it, so it stops here. You know what I mean, kind of thing. Or they told me, you know, don't worry, everybody's gonna be here, they're gonna close the refrigerator and you won't hear anyone. But but you trust me because you, you work with them. Yeah, but uh, we know you can't be in there for longer, and however long, so we'll open it.
Speaker 7:I was like Jesus christ, there was one thing they did, a scene. It was about plastic surgery. They had me on a stretcher and it's another one of those 20 dollar bumps, and they cut the sheet out. So just my nose was sticking out Right. So now I'm sitting there, just my nose is sticking out of this sheet. Now, this whole scene going on. I'm almost kind of background and you know everybody's tired but I'm the only one laying down right. So more than once I'd fall asleep and in that one in particular I remember waking up and then you don't move because you don't know if you're in the middle of a shot, right, right you know, pick it up in the middle of a shot.
Speaker 7:That's why it's so quiet. So then after a couple minutes I'm like, no, it's quiet because there's fucking nobody here. Stop playing, where'd it go? They were like Stop playing, they called lunch. They go, they called lunch. I'm like, well, let me out of this thing. They go, we're coming back now, so you might as well just Wow. So until people got to realize and I understood, I mean there were guys busting their ass. I mean, yeah, you know what I mean. And then they look over. My job is to lay on the bed and pretend I'm laying in a bed with this girl and and I'm falling asleep. You know, like there was. People weren't always there. Sometimes somebody would like hit a bed. You know, hit the corner at a bed or something. I'd be like what the fuck just happened? They'll wake me up until I was able to kind of let people know they look, man Right. You know it's not easy laying there, staying awake. I mean it's painy ass.
Speaker 2:So the safe sex episode was that you are the w Right in the w.
Speaker 7:I can't see it, but if you, because at the episodes I'm still working my way through. But if it's, if you don't see robert's face, it's me.
Speaker 2:Okay, because I didn't know if it was robert, because that was one. That was a one scene that I was when he was jumping on the the dummy, the dummy guy and he I, he was talking. You know it could be robert. Yeah, if he was talking at a camera it was just the lighting was was different so you couldn't see his face, but Uh, I can hear him, so I bet that was robert shoot all of those In like a chunk so he might show up and do like you know, yeah because it wasn't the actor, it was the dummy.
Speaker 2:And then you saw the actor face and then you went back to dummy and then freddy had came out his groin. It was crazy. I'll look at scenarios, the scenarios they put y'all through. It was insane, insane.
Speaker 7:You know I had mentioned on my facebook when I first started talking with mic again because he joined my facebook page. It's like nice, I welcome mic straw. I said who, through his vision and you know his artistry, is, yeah, you know, manhole, cover my head in an oven and in a guillotine and shitting my pants, waiting for cars that follow me in a junkyard. Um, because at some point, you know, he was green lighting. Things that put me in these positions were a lot. Yeah, there was one, you know they did a episode of phrase nightmares and it was a spoof on, uh, groucho marks, so the marks when he had his show.
Speaker 7:Uh, I think it was a duck used to come down, um, and on a wire, and you had this gag with the duck and the duck would disappear. Well, for freddy, of course, they've got a plucked duck that's looking as dead and grizzly as you can get a raw duck that they went and got down in china town somewhere. So, trying to figure out how they're going to drop this thing down next to robert, because what I would do is I'd run through all those shots he was going to do For like two days, crazy. Well, they set everything up and it came up to the schedule. So once he got there, they could be as effective as possible. So those longer days for me and a bit more active. So I'm standing there and they're trying to figure out with this goose. At one point they drive balls off of whatever was holding it and it hits the ground next to my feet with like a slap and they have flown in you know fog. And I see this thing sitting with the fog, just all pushed away from it now and looking at this raw, dead goose laying there and I remember thinking to myself I'm like how the fuck did I get? I'm like what's going on? Did this guy just drop a goose on my head? I'm like what, what the hell?
Speaker 7:And it was more than once that I would just be like how does this happen? Um, there was an episode with the manhole, one where a shark is supposed to be coming out, and it was big. So I because again, no, in the prop guys, we were all under there trying to move this thing, you know and they'll keep yelling higher, higher, more, with the knife, and once we are laughing, I mean that was it, it was just fucking over, and the other thing people would do is there's a lot of people had like a catch, like something they would always say like if they're getting ready to set up a shot, whether being all like, all quiet or whatever, couple people at a little rant, they would always the same and you'd see people like mimicking the the person like to a tee, and it was usually right before you're supposed to get dead quiet. And I mean the amount of times that I sat and like I'm like I get out, yeah, I to get out of here Before I explode.
Speaker 7:You know laughing, or is that going to be worse? Is I? Should I just sit tight and then you get through and when you hear me, you're cut, you're like finally, and then you burst out because somebody would do something. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you, I'm sure you guys cut up a lot at freddy's. There's a nanogans behind the scenes. Nanogans, I mean it's a series. You know it's low budget, but then you have celebrities coming in and out. Uh, I mean, just what a wonderful experience. And when you got, when you went back to jersey, was it like you're just like, hey, I was in a series or did, did. Did you wow out? Um?
Speaker 7:I, initially I was going to be learning bartending from my uncle and then go back so that I had something to fall back on. You know, I had standing still. Um, that's when I met my wife. Um, I told her today in matter I was going back out there. Um, I it's funny, I used to carry my expired willy this you'll love. I used to carry my expired sag cart that card, yeah in my wallet and back then you didn't have cell phones and shit, so I would write my number on it and hand it to a girl on a bar. I go here and you call yeah, is this this? What is this card you gave me? They'd be like a great opener.
Speaker 2:You know, I'll give you a. Actor skilled bro, let me tell you you already you already was a young, good-looking dude in hollywood. I swear to you what a great one-liner to give to someone, so that you could just open up that conversation, like Kevin.
Speaker 7:Kevin, I'm back here, I meet my wife and then we're together enough that I go. Look, I'm going To go to California. And I was going to go to California and she was like I'm going to go to California and she goes. Well, I want to go, she goes, but I can't go to California. And I had been contemplating Florida at the time because I was hearing that Florida was going to be the next Hollywood. They were going to have a lot going on. I went down, I did pick up a couple commercials, I did sue, but my acting coach down there knew, because she had ties out in California, she goes, you need to go back to California.
Speaker 7:Um, it wasn't as productive as I mean. I was going in reading on some stuff. So then we came here, um, because that north north ridge earthquake, oh yeah, here I picked up an agent and was going in out of the city. Okay, I read, for here was whenever replacing, uh, jimmy smiths on nypd blue, nypd blue, let's go With that. I kind of snuck my way into my agent Uh-huh, all of them and I and at this point I got out and stuff for him in response was good, but I hadn't booked yet. So I called. I said, listen, uh, wow, how come you're not telling me about this jimmy smiths thing? Everybody's so bad.
Speaker 7:He goes because I can only send two people each. They're only letting to send two people each. He goes. I got guys that are with me longer than you. It's not right, I can't. I got I go. Okay, he calls me the next day because I have to ask you a question. I go, okay, because you called him over there At nypd blue. I go, no, because I pulled some shit to get in front of him. So he goes. You didn't call I go. No, he goes. You're being honest. I said no, why he goes? Because they called me. They want to see you. I go, really, yeah, he goes. I go, really, he goes. Yeah, I go see. You should have sent me. He goes. No, this is better because now I got three guys over there. So that's crazy Easy.
Speaker 7:Couple times you know it was more than once and then they ended up ricky schroeder Landed. Now I don't know, you could go in a hundred times and not get it. You know how it is right, right, but they said the ricky schroeder thing was they kind of wanted to emulate what was going on at home for people because, like you know, the characters on the show were like, who are you to replace my partner? And then people on the cell for like, who is this kid replaced jimmy smiths and they thought they might create some kind of weird parallel feeling or something and got you, said you know, I can't bring that to the table, um, and I was doing more stand-up. Then I did a lot of yeah, okay, you stand up, what's that you do? Stand up now? Uh well, I have in a while and now I don't know that I would, because the way things are, you know, and get some of my material at the time.
Speaker 7:But, um, that I did and to be honest with you, you know, short of the time, on the set of freddy's, um and the stuff on set, it's clearly the nightmare stuff when it comes to trying to get work or trying to work your way up the ladder. I enjoyed the stand-up thing more and the reason was it was inarguable. If I went up there and I crushed a room, I could step off and somebody come up to me Go, you know, you know you're not fine, you should find something else. And I'd be like, fuck you. The whole room just lit up like you're the one person and Right you, it's only you, you know, right You're delivery. Make sure you get there on time. You make sure you, you know you get through the gig. So for that reason I I enjoyed that because there was a little bit more control with it. Um, but then eventually, you know, life takes over.
Speaker 2:So right, right, right. So we'll our last question for you before we wrap up. Um is uh, what horror movies are you watching now?
Speaker 7:Right now, actually, I'm catching up on all the nightmare stuff. No way. I really I'm gonna be out at these things you know any cons Yep, yeah, I gotta know it. So this is up on it. I'm probably halfway through the series. I skimmed through the wall and down screenshot stuff. Now watch it and I I'll tell you I love the series because it's so surreal. It's almost like a jim quarters movie. Where are you watching it on? I'm really. My wife years ago got me a set of the dvd. Got you Okay. Yeah.
Speaker 7:I love to get blu-ray. A guy lifted that screenshot off of the guy who's working with me on the show and An alan, and he lifted that screenshot off the headers. Uh, no way, hey. So I was like holy shit, man, I think looks clear you you gotta get blu-ray.
Speaker 2:There is a new member that's joining our team and his name is jake up. Jake up got a woody he's probably watching right now but he is a collector of horror and he like lives, he like. He tells me every day he's like, oh, blu-ray will get a blu-ray and he we had this debate about if blu-ray was gonna last long and whatnot. But all his collectible horrible Horror dvds are all blu-rays and so he loves.
Speaker 7:I need some screenshots out of the block, okay.
Speaker 2:He's probably watching now because we gotta be in a meeting soon. But, uh, I will holler at me, let's see, because he has, he, he collects the uh classic, so yeah.
Speaker 7:Yeah, I got to get married. My uh little trick and technique for the.
Speaker 2:The lucid dream, oh, yeah, there he is, Yo jake up, especially since you've already done it.
Speaker 7:You know what he mean. You're gonna like things. I tell you're gonna make perfect sense.
Speaker 3:I'm excited I.
Speaker 2:I, I. Yes, let me know about that too.
Speaker 7:Sometimes I send people off with it and then I don't hear back.
Speaker 2:Oh, you'll hear back from us. You're part of the family. Yep, that's scary family. We'll keep yeah, we'll keep in contact. So this is, we're at our guest. Final thoughts this is um where you get to let everyone know where we can find you. What's next, what's gonna, what's what's in your pipelines, all that good stuff. Are you ready? I'm ready, let's do it.
Speaker 7:Very dramatic. February 17th, 10 to 4, I'm gonna be at the delta marriott in allentown. Uh, we have an upcoming show. I'm gonna be posting more about that on my facebook, which is freddy do, f, r, e, d, d, y, d e, u, x. All one word, um. And that's gonna be in san atonio in april. Don't have the date yet.
Speaker 7:Rudy salazar, I gotta give a heads up and a shout out and the thanks he's working on the glove for me. I'm gonna be having at the cons, uh, blake best. Uh, who really, you know? Uh, it was a conversation with blake that got me uh excited about getting involved in all this stuff and getting the con thing rolling. And let me know the significance of the work. So I really appreciate that. He's easy to find if you google blake best. He's got some great books out, on nightmare specifically. The last one was behind the screams, with mix drawn. Um, which is a little bit more than nuts and bolts, is some of the stuff that I talked about on a technical end, um, and then we're looking for another show, probably over the summer I was thinking august. Uh, there's a big one rolling through jersey. I've reached out to robert and trying to see if we work out something on that.
Speaker 2:And where we can find you w.
Speaker 7:W dot, freddy w w dot Dot. Freddy dash two dot com. All right, awesome new videos probably later in the week awesome.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much for that. We appreciate you for doing that and, uh, what a pleasure having you on the show. Thank you for the time. Thank you for sharing your stories with us. Thank you for diving deep and just, you know, and just giving us an insight for the ones that don't know what it's like to be a double In film and in series and playing doubling the man himself, freddy kruger. Uh, we appreciate you for being on the show. Yeah, no, I appreciate it, guys. Thanks, you have a good one. We'll talk soon, you too.
Speaker 3:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2:Take care, man. All right, you're right, what a show. Listen if you guys are watching the show. What he's got. Some stories I just want to see he has some stories. And you know what the funny thing is, when I had him on the phone he said willy, I got some stories and I bet you we didn't even skim the surface like we could talk for hours. Like I may have to bring him back, I may have to bring freddy too. Bad y'all.
Speaker 3:We hit. What three questions we had just.
Speaker 2:Oh he, okay, so, jaykot, what he says, I do have the blob on blu-ray. He said, look, he has an m4k the blob. Oh see, all right, we'll, we'll get that for you. We'll, we'll get that for you, kevin. Uh, what were you saying?
Speaker 3:But he has a bunch of I think we had what 20 some questions to go through and talk about and I think we hit like three Because we're just talking. He just has stories and little insights and interesting. I bet you have a lot of interest. Yeah, I'm gonna be an interesting person to go see at cons and stuff.
Speaker 2:Yes, he will. And the thing is he is, let me tell you guys, if you guys are watching the show, he is approachable. He is down to earth, he's from too easy, you know what I mean. So, like you know, you got the coffee and and sit down and you know he is the, he is the man and he was shared stories and and he listen. I don't know if I can, like I want to get him and robert in the same room and see who could Beat at a talk off because he has story and I know robert has stories and I know robert, he tells all his stories and I know kevin's like look, I got this, I got that. Actually, it'll be cool if we can bring them both On the show and just like finish the dots, all right now, let's bring it. You know, just, it will be just, I mean it will be ours, just a fun, all right, if you guys are watching, get your hashtags in.
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Speaker 7:I sent her the link a little bit earlier. Okay, awesome, michelle michelle's in the house. All the time that I was, uh, working on freddy's actually, I was actually always trying to get home and get out, get offset, um, and get out of there.
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Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. Jake of said I was hoping, man, I was hoping, yes, we weren't too. That would have been dope All right. Thank you, kevin, you have a good one. Take care, mr freddy too. Yes, what a good show we had today. Jarred.
Speaker 3:We, he, we needed him on here. You know a couple beers and just no talking stories, because I guarantee he has 50, 60 Good ones and then like 25 shitty ones you don't want to hear about.
Speaker 2:But I wouldn't hear the. I want to hear the crappy ones. I wouldn't, I would. I mean he was, he was. He was in Hollywood in the 80s. Let's be real.
Speaker 3:But it was the opener was. I was in this trailer with this crackhead woman and this drug deal came in with a nine mil We'd bread. He's against the door while his buddy's that was his start of his career.
Speaker 2:That was his start of his career. I Mean, let me tell you and the guy is is here, like, look, I'm trying to tell you. I just wanted to be a fly, like as he was telling the story. I wanted to be a fly in the room, I was picturing things and uh, yeah, I have the 1999 freddy dvd box set. By the way, oh my goodness and I know it probably had photos and behind the scenes and all that good stuff too. Oh my goodness, jacob is a collector.
Speaker 3:Jacob is a collector every now that you get a guess where you don't want to talk. You just want to listen, listen, yes, you just want to listen.
Speaker 2:Yes, and then he has that joysy attitude that I get. I get with you to be like you don't Like when he said, when he just stand up he's like I don't care if I suck, like who cares? They laugh, Get up my face Like I just want to like eat some.
Speaker 3:Go ahead. I want to find some of his stand up. I wonder, is it recorded something?
Speaker 2:I wonder too. I wonder too like I'm gonna get in his life. I'm gonna like be a, a spy.
Speaker 3:By the time I notice like hey, I want to start asking about a stain. I'm like shit, we're at 220 minutes, it's time to start rapping, I know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we're about to wrap up because we these bills are only minute. Well, not our bills, our bills are way big, but our sponsor money is very minute. We gotta pay the bills. But I just want to say thank you so much. I'm excited for our next show. Um, we're gonna be at hot con in Daytona beach, which is a trade show for the uh haunted house industry, whore, indie, whore, filmmakers and um and uh, immersive events which you know. I may get kevin to be a guest on that show next year, um, hopefully.
Speaker 2:But on our next show we have an interview with an upcoming director and producer from rock, with sirens, talking about their new campaign funding, their next film project, and they have an amazing film project, that kind of. I don't want to give Uh too much away, but it it's an 80s film, so we kind of have that stranger things Look for or that totally killer look, and it also has a little spin off to uh 13 ghosts, which I don't know if I'm allowed to say that, but um, I cannot wait to talk to them, which is a perfect topic because they would be at hot con as well in Daytona beach and and because of Daytona, uh, uh, hot con has evolved and expanded into indie whore film. I just feel like it would be the perfect pair to have them on the show. I want to thank our guest, kevin resinski. I mean he was just a Pleasure to have on the show and they hear all about the freddy behind the scenes stories because, again, I have to face my fears about freddy. But uh, Just hearing the story and hearing his lens, his perspective of it, I laugh and I just I'm in awe with it and I'm a huge freddy fan and I'm so happy to have freddy number two on my show and on our show. Jarred and uh, and it was, it was a pleasure and for the viewers that were watching the show today, thank you for tuning in and being on the show. Please tune in next Sunday. We got a great show for you as well. We also have alex of arm Brewster from Thanksgiving, from the movie Thanksgiving, elie roth movie Thanksgiving. He played the slash, the new slasher, john carver. He is, he just uh, Uh, confirmed his time being on our show.
Speaker 2:We have, uh, we have uh 10, 31 appearances uh, which we need to link um Kevin with them, because they are the bookers, for they book, you know, people like kevin onto the horror cons. We also have so many guests still coming in. Season three and season four is going to be epic. Tune in. I can't give away Too many because people are still confirming their their dates on our show, but tune in. We, we want to have you guys on uh the show. Of course, if you are watching live, you get free stuff, so please do it. We love live. To my co-host, jarred, thank you so much for being on the show. I want to thank you at home and in work or in transit for listening to this podcast, for your love and support. Please remember to follow, like and subscribe and share our social media channels so we can continue to engage while building a horror family. Until next time, I just want to say thank you, jarred, thank you.
Speaker 3:Thank you.
Speaker 2:Thank you for everyone who's listening and stay scary. Yo yo yo. If you like what you have just heard, subscribe now or forever. Hold your screams.